Mario Woods Tribute: His Daughter on the Airman Who Never Backed Down

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Everyone, I'm Matt Ford and welcome to the Good Troubleshow. Today we celebrate the life of a true warrior, Mario Woods. Mario served nearly 10 years in the United States Air Force. In 1977, he was guarding nuclear missiles out of El's Worth Air Force base in South Dakota when something happened to him that changed the rest of his life. He passed away on October 16th, 2026. He was 71. For decades, he carried it alone and then he did the bravest thing a witness can do. He told it.

He told his personal truth and every time he did, he was standing up for every experience or still too afraid to speak their truth. On May 6th, 2023, I had the honor of having Mario as my guest. I was very new to doing this show. I was pretty wet behind the years, but it was truly one of the most profound interviews I have ever done and one that has stuck with me to this day. As he told me what happened that night, he cried. This big, burly military man, he was vulnerable.

He cried on air, he told people what had happened to him and you could tell what impact this had. For the first time in any interview, while I'm in the middle of this interview with Mario, I said to myself, "Matt, stay quiet. Don't talk. Just let Mario talk. Let him tell his story." After our conversation today, we will replay that interview from three years ago in Mario's own words. I encourage everyone to watch it. Words just can't do justice. But today we are very lucky. Joining us are two people who knew Mario.

On your right, retired Army Colonel, Lieutenant Colonel, Dr. John Blitch. And on your left, we are honored to have Mario's daughter, Lexi Woods. Thank you both for joining us. Lexi, how are you and your family holding up? Well, we're holding up. Doing everything that I think that I can to make sure that I honor Dad in all of the ways that he would want me to plan in his service for Wednesday and making sure that I can be on things like this with you, which is such an honor.

It's a way that I get to honor my dad that I wouldn't have expected. You know what I mean? And just making sure that nobody forgets his name. And Lexi, tell us about your father. And John, we'll get into the UAP part in a bit. But as I mentioned in our conversations before, I have guests on the show and they're talking about that one really often very major part of their life. But tell us a bit about your dad. What great memories, what he was like, who was Mario Woods?

My dad was just a gentle giant. When I was just a tiny little thing, he was my most favorite human that ever existed. I would sit on his lap and we would build RC cars. That's one of my first memories, actually. And he would feed me chocolate ice cream. You know, and my mom would do not give her the chocolate ice cream. And dad would be like, it's fun. It's funny because even the last day's in the hospital and everything, he was like, Lexi, if you had the chocolate peanut butter, rye, or ice cream, it is the best.

And of course, I come home to their house and I open the freezer and what's in there. The peanut butter ice cream, you know? That's just one of my favorite little first memories. But my dad, he was so sweet and so kind, always growing up, he worked a lot. He showed me and my brother like, what it's like to have a work ethic, you know, and show up every day and be present and do what has to be done to take care of his family, you know?

He loved to work in the yard and whenever I would get in trouble, the way that he would punish me would be to make me do yard work. He just didn't know that I actually loved doing that. You know, I had any reason to actually get out of the punishment. No, it was never, no, it was not a punishment. I'm like, this is the best punishment ever. You know, I get to get out here and pick up sticks and cut the grass on the ride lawnmower and listen to music and hang out with my dad.

And I loved that, you know? It's funny. I found this video the other day and I'm out there with the chainsaw and there it was after a hurricane and I'm like, cutting up these logs with him and he's recording the whole thing and he's like, well, like, he's out here cutting up her first real tree, you know? And it was just like, I'm like, man, the stuff he recorded and like, watch it. It just, it's all his family, you know? And I look back and I found these photos of him and stuff and he's like, always got a video recorder in his hand or a camera in his hand and, um, and yeah.

So aside from that, he loved RC cars. He, him and my brother got real close when Jake was like, probably like seven or eight because he threw Jake on a motorcycle and my dad's love for motorcycles growing up. But we'd always have super crossed on the TV. That's all that he watched was just so over all across. His favorite movie ever is on any Sunday and, you know, why? Because he's in it. He's in the movie on a motorcycle. Yes, seriously. Wow. Seriously. Seriously. Um, I wish I would have sent a picture to you on, I found one from back then.

But anyways, you know, so he loved motor cross. He loved being in the yard. He loved his family. He loved his dogs, you know? And he was just this gentle giant, um, growing up in like middle school, this man would drive me up a wall. He'd come in there in the mornings and it'd be like six AM. He would flip on the lights and he would go, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, and I'm like, dead. You know, like, oh my God, I hated it.

I hated it. And, you know, that's how we'd start our mornings. It was me screaming him thinking it was hilarious. You know, mom being like, Mario, stop it right now. You know, it's like, you think saying him, you know? So that was always like, it was just an ongoing thing literally for years. And then we'd be on the way to school and we went to school like 30 minutes away from home. So we'd be driving over the causeway and he would just roll down all the windows in the dead of winter and be like, we're going to have a freeze out.

And I'm by the window, Jake's in the middle and dad's, you know, driving and he is cracking up and I'm just pissed. You know what I mean? And looking back, now I'm like, God, that was so funny. He was just so dorky. You know, and he thought the silliest things were so funny. And it's funny because now I have a 15 year old and I do stuff like that to Haley all the time. And I think it is hilarious. Haley does not think it's funny. You know.

Same as you didn't at the time. Exactly. You know, and now I look back and I'm like, those are some of my best memories. You know, and like, that man gave the best hugs that ever existed. And that is what, that is one of the many things that I will really like miss the most. You know, I could walk in my parents' house and my dad would just like bear hug. You know, those big ol' strong arms and his big ol' hands, you know, and it's just like nothing else mattered and you were so safe and so sound and so cozy.

You know. So, yeah. But everybody that met my dad loved him. And I didn't even exactly know how much until he got sick. And I knew that he was special and I knew that he was soft and he was so kind and he was so sweet and he would give anybody the shirt off of his back. And even like all the mistakes that I made as a teenager and stuff, I was a disaster. You know, I like left home at 15 and dad would like try to come get me and be like, you know, baby, come home, but I just went and at some point I guess he decided to just make peace with that.

And in his way of doing that, he would just come over and like hang out and know that I was struggling, but he would just, it was his way of like still checking on me to be like anytime you're ready, you know. That man chased me through parking lots and all over Brunswick really, you know. And like I got clean when I was 19 and you know, we started to like rebuild our relationship and I had moved back to Brunswick for a while and we got really close through that, you know, doing yard work right here in the short, you know.

And that's where we spent a lot of our time was like out here in the yard or by the fire, building a fire, talking about spirituality and Egypt and numerology and UFOs and aliens and all the things that, you know, that we couldn't exactly explain, you know. He's just, he was, he is a special man and it's funny because he used to go on these long rants and John, I know that you've heard him and Matt, even though he was only on your show, I'm certain that you've probably also heard them pre the show, you know, Dad could talk.

He would talk and talk and talk. And when I was younger, I didn't pay as much attention. You know, I'd be like, oh, here he goes on one of these really long rants that I'm not going to understand, you know. And now I think about those and I'm just like, man, the quality time that we got in his rants and even the stuff that I didn't get or understand, I can look back on those times and some of those conversations and be like, oh, oh, I get it, you know.

And he left me this note a few years ago, sitting on the coffee table, because he always driving us before I would leave town again. And it says, slow down and smell the roses, honey, because I know. And for me during that time, he knew I was working like he worked. And that's one thing my dad didn't know how to do was stop working, you know. He was 70, 70 when he went to the hospital and that man worked up until the day before he went to the hospital.

You know, and he saw me working like that and he was like, hey, don't work your whole life away, you know. And again, at the time, it didn't really stick because I was like, I'm grinding, I'm 28 years old, you know, I got stuff to do, whatever. And now I get it, I understand it. And I'm grateful for the work I think that he showed me and I'm grateful for who he taught me to be. But I want to make sure that I take the time to stop and smell the roses and go on the vacations and take the trips and do the things that sometimes dad wouldn't do because of work.

And because he was trying so hard to always support his family and take care of everything, you know. So yeah, I mean, he was just really cool. Yeah, I'm sorry, say I cut you off, say that again. I said, he was just a really cool human. Yeah, yeah, clearly. John, how did you meet Mario and for people that are watching this for the first time and they have no idea who Mario was in relation to the UAP topic? Just kind of briefly talk about that. Yeah, so I met him over the phone immediately after I saw season two, episode eight of the History Channel program, unidentified.

And it was the very last episode of the series before it was canceled. And it was, you know, Luel Azonda was the star with Christmas and then Pondelond. And I was very upset with how he and Jeff Goodrich and Robert Hastings were dismissed as just misinterpreting sleep paralysis. So I called Luel and complained to him vigorously. And, you know, regardless of what people think about Luel Azonda, he stopped me. And he said, I'll call you right back. And the next phone call I get is not from Luel Azonda.

It was from Mario Woods. And he says, you'll never believe I'm trying to do his accent. You'll never believe who just called me and said, yeah, it was Luel Azonda, wasn't it? And so we just hit it off from that point forward. But Robert Hastings put us together. And one of the things that struck me when we finally met face to face at a house where Luel and Dan Farrah and Rob Jacobs, Terry Lovelace, they were all filming Age of Disclosure. And, you know, I knew that Mario was a big guy.

But I didn't realize that he was a Hulk, essentially. And he came over and gave me one of those hugs, like Lexie just described. And he could have snapped me in two. But there's just such, like he said, like Lexie said, just such a gentle bend quality to him. But he was actually a phenomenal athlete, not just motocross. He was a tremendous tennis player. And one of the things that kind of was missed in some of the interview that Jesse Michaels did with the reunion with Michael Johnson was the guy that gave him the gloves.

The Michael Jackson gloves, the little reflective ones, was a B 52 pilot that Mario played tennis which Mario used to kick his butt. And so this pilot gave him these gloves as kind of a consolation, thanks for taking it easy on me or whatever. So a tremendous athlete, but also a phenomenal airman. I would say, you know, if you ask me the three words that's described to him, I would say truth and loyalty and courage. All three of those. And he just embodied all of that.

But I think the courage aspect of it is what really kind of made him unique because he was one of the first, you know, at the military, at the keys to come forward with that story. And so he paid the way for a lot of us to come forward. And you know, he was also very selfless. I think you would agree with that, Lexie, but you agree with that. Always putting others ahead of himself. And that's what, you know, as you can tell from this reunion with Michael Johnson, he was always asking every podcast he went on, can you help me find Michael Johnson?

And that was the big, that was the big corroboration now. And you know, Lexie, you and I talked about this in the hospital quite a bit, right? It almost felt like that was his mission. And then they find. And I've got to, I've got a credit Michael Johnson for agreeing to do that interview with Jesse because he could have, he could have just said, no, sorry, I've been harassed enough. I'm not going to do it. But I think Mario, Mario's courage kind of dragged Michael into it.

And Michael very courageously himself said, okay, if Mario's going to be there, I'll be there. And then the rest of his history. I absolutely, absolutely love that. And John, you would agree that someone like Mario who had the courage to come forward, tell, speak his truth, talk about what happened to him in such a vulnerable way, that really gives permission and support for other people that have experienced this, you know, quite frankly, pretty scary stuff to know that they are not alone. But other people have experienced this, that they're not crazy.

Absolutely. And I think that's an element of leadership, to be willing to be vulnerable. Lex and I talked about that earlier, right? About this willingness to be vulnerable and share even your emotions. I mean, it's terrifying the stuff that we have been through at the hands of these non-humans, you know, to wake up in a hospital setting and the person that whatever is standing over you is not a human. I mean, that's terrifying beyond words. And Mario had the courage to talk about that. And that made the rest of us feel like, okay, well, if he could do it, maybe, maybe we can do it.

So that is such a strong aspect of who he was as a leader to put others before himself and to lead the way into obviously a disclosure sort of type of setting. Like, see, I would, if you don't mind, walk the viewer, everyone that watching this show right now, walk us through how he shared his experience with you growing up. Because I understand that it was, he didn't just like throw it all out there. He was very careful in how he spoke with you about this.

Yeah, so the first time that he ever told me about it, we were out by the fire. And I was like, nine, maybe ten at the latest ten, you know, it was the first time I heard about it. And, you know, he kind of dumbed it down a good bit. We talked about extraterrestrial life and like what that meant exactly, you know, and he didn't, he said that they were aliens and he said, you know, these beings, he didn't make it scary at all though. He basically was like, I had this experience and I've met aliens and I went on their ship, you know, and they put me back down a good distance from where I had been taken up or whatever, you know.

And I asked him a couple questions about it, whatever my 10 year old brain could conceptualize. You know, I was like, oh, was it scary? Were they nice? You know, little silly thing. And I kind of like brushed it off after that. I didn't think too much about it anymore. And then when I was like 12 or 13, I won't ever forget this and it, whatever, it's going to sound like whatever it sounds like. I went to bed one night and I had this dream that I got abducted by aliens, okay?

And I felt like I was on this ship and all of a sudden I got slammed back down in my body and it was like 3.30 in the morning, I woke up and my heart was pounding out of my chest. I was sweating. I was terrified. I ran in there to dad and I was like, dad, dad, dad. I just got freaked out. I think I just got abducted by aliens and he was like, baby, you're dreaming, you know? So he came back in there with me because he was, I went and got him out of his room and we sat there and talked about it.

And then he told me a little bit more about his story. Again, he didn't make it scary still at this point. You know, he didn't say that he was terrified. He didn't say anything. But I heard Michael Johnson's name. The first night that I heard it was when I was 10 out by the fire. He said it was me and my partner, Michael Johnson. So I was the very first time that I ever heard this man's name. And then when I was 13 and he reiterated the story to me again, because I was like, tell me, tell me again what happened.

And I was like, were you awake? Are you sure that you weren't dreaming? You know, and we went through all of that and he reiterated the whole story he was then else worth and they were in a truck and he went outside before the truck. He had went outside and flashed his flashlight twice at this, you at whatever he saw in the sky, right? And so he told me the whole story and stuff like that. And then I went back to bed and I was like, okay, I was still freaked out, whatever.

And then he started telling, you know, our family about his experience and stuff. And I don't remember a lot of like how he told our family about it, you know, I just know nobody believed him. You know, and there was a lot of like ridicule that came with him sharing that stuff. You know, and it's uncles, family members who really wrote it off and like thought he was nuts. I always just believed him. I don't know why I believe him. I just knew it was true, you know, I just, I don't know.

I innately knew that he was telling the truth. And honestly, it felt like everybody thought he was crazy, you know, and people would be like, oh, it's military doing like military experiments on you or whatever. You didn't get abducted by aliens and stuff, you know? And I know that it was frustrating and I'm sure that it was disheartening for my dad in so many ways because it's like he's like bearing his soul and talking about this and everybody is literally brushing him off or like making fun of, you know?

Oh, yeah, when Scotty comes and beams you up, then I'll believe it or, you know, just stuff like that in it sucked. And that went on forever, you know? And I heard the story a million times over and I think when I was, I guess it was when I was back home. And I was 20, dad told me the whole story, you know, he told me the whole story, he was terrified. It was insane. He didn't know what to make of it. It has lived in his, the front of his brain for since it happened, essentially, you know?

And, and he could never find Michael Johnson, you know? And, and some of my family would be like, well, when you find Michael Johnson, I'll believe it, you know, because everybody thought that Michael Johnson was like a figment of his imagination, you know? And I was just talking to John about this earlier where I'm like, God, I can't believe that this all just started like really coming to a head in 2023 because for me, I've heard about this my whole life. Do you know what I mean?

This like, it like ate my dad alive at times, you know? It drove him crazy. And, and rightfully so because like, nobody could validate his experience and he knew what he knew to be true, but, but anybody that he was sharing with no smoke on Brunswick, Georgia, but like nobody in Brunswick, Georgia is believing that anybody was abducted by aliens. Do you know what I mean? It's just like not real, you know, to so many people here. And, and so when I found out that he was going on podcast and stuff, I was so grateful that there were people now that were like starting to come out with this stuff and starting to talk about it more and gave him this sense of community that I feel like he had searched for since 77, basically, you know?

And I can't imagine how hard that was to like live with that and it to be such an integral part of who you are and for him to have the courage to share the things that he shared with as many people as he did, no matter how many people told him he was crazy. You know? He still kept sharing it and he kept talking about it. And I feel like when he found this community, you know, and like John and all these guys, he gave him this, this sense of peace.

You know, it was like, okay, I have a group of people that know what I'm talking about that have been through what I've been through or experienced similar situations. And who can validate me in this way, you know? And then, and then, I know I'm going on at this point, Matt, you can come here. No, no, no, no, please continue. No, no, no. I think that like, fun and Michael, I do feel like that was like, okay, mission complete, you know? I agree. And I encourage everyone to watch that episode and with your dad on the Jesse Michaels podcast.

And I really, my hat is off to Jesse for making that happen. Clearly, this was not an easy deal to find him. Otherwise, your dad would have found him, you know, searching all those years. So Jesse Michaels, I am so thrilled. He did that for your dad. And what you're describing in terms of what your dad went through and the sort of belittling and all of those things, especially belittling from people that you love and you care about, your dad definitely was not alone in that.

There are a lot of people that had similar experiences to your dad, experiences when they shared with their family what had happened. And again, it just, it really speaks to the character of Mario, your dad and the fact that for him it was about telling his truth and he knew it was true. There was no question in his mind. And I just, it made me a bit sad to hear about all of that and what the challenge is that he came up against in hearing this from people that just weren't believing him.

But he certainly was not alone in that. And I completely agree, I can speak for myself in that I've met just such amazing people, such as John, yourself and others. And I've been at gatherings where it's been a bunch of people. I was at a party, dinner party, a good while back with one of the former national program managers of the National Science Foundation. And there were like 100 people there and they all had had experiences with UAP. And these were some people fairly high up in the government.

But there's something about being around a group of people where you can speak without knowing that you're not going to be judged. And I know and just my friendship with John and others in this community, it's a family because they understand. And yeah, I want to take a second. You've provided some photos. And again, I mentioned earlier, people come on, they talk about their UAP experiences, but often you don't really get a window into who they were as a father, as a husband. And you really just brought some really great, great photos here.

Walk us through what we're looking at. That's me and dad. And we were reading the book. That's me when I was like a year old. I love that. Yeah. That's like a really. It's like his funny, he's just funny. He was so funny. Like, doesn't that look like he would be like on some funny like cop movie of like some like? He's just like, do you know? Now, that was it. That was it. One of the DOE facilities, I think, right? Yes. Which one? So after he left the Air Force, he was a lieutenant on the SWAT team for DOE in several facilities.

Am I right? Lexi? Yeah, Los Alamos K-12. What? Yeah. K-12, whatever. All the letters and numbers. K-12 and Y-25. I might be reversing the numbers. Y-12. Yeah. Y-12, K-25. There you go. So, you know, did he ever tell you the story of why he became a cop? No. He was a kid and he saw a detective in his buddy, a riding bikes, and they came up on a detective in a stinkout, in a woods, just like that. And these guys came up and surprised the detective and beat the daylight, and he decided from that point forward, he wanted to be part of the world that would protect people.

When he told me that was the day he knew he was going to become a cop. But he was so compassionate because he felt so bad for that detective that was laying there motionless on the ground. So, I think that was another very key component here that he -- people felt comfortable telling their stories to him. We all did. And I was -- you and I were talking about the fireside thing, right? Let's see where, you know, everybody -- when we were at the Hastings place with Bob Jacobs and Terry Lovelace and Jeff Goodrich, you know, we're all chatting up and Janice and Steve Aspen, everybody's talking around the fire.

But when Mario Woods and that booming voice spoke, everybody shut up. And it's like, okay, what's Mario got to say? It was wonderful. Let's go through some of these other photos. I love this one. It's -- what a character. Any idea where this was or what the story is? Do you have the moment that night in his teeth? Oh, yeah. What does that -- Both of those are from, you know, the Air Force like boot camp or whatever before -- at Herbert Air Force Base. Yeah.

That's in Fall Creek Falls. My favorite best memories ever are there, you know. We would go there when I was little up until we moved to Georgia, which I was eight. Jake was only two. So I don't even think my brother ever got to experience Fall Creek Falls maybe once, but, you know, he was two, one or two. But some of my best memories are at Fall Creek Falls. And like, dad was teaching me to fish there. This is a funny story. I should have given you a picture too, but he was teaching me to fish there and I fished, you know, and I caught this fish and he was like, "Real the fish in Pauline likes you reel it in."

So instead of me reeling it in, I take the fish in Paul and I'm running all the way up the mountain with the fish in Rod, you know, to get the fish out of the water on the lot. And he's like, "Where are you going, baby?" And I was like, "I'm breaking the fish in, dad." And he's like, "Wait, come back." Oh, I love that. I love that. Let's see here. He loved his animals, didn't he? Oh, man. He loved his animals more than anything ever.

Ever. And he loved dogs. Most recently, he had this dog, Daisy May. I literally put her in his obituary because it was his favorite dog ever. He found this dog at the Humane Society and she was a couple years old when he got her. And he got her in 20, I think 2021 and she passed away in 2025 and there's a headstone outside right now that isn't completed yet. And it has her name on it and the date she was born and he hand wrote, you know, the day she passed away and best girl inside this heart that he, what's it called?

The road, what's the tool called that you like, carving the wood with or stone with? Drimble, Drimble tool. Anyways, I found the Drimble tool and I'm going to finish that for him. But yes, he loved his animals. That is my brother. That's my brother and my dad on probably Savannah River, I would imagine. We used to go out on the boat a good bit and yeah, Fall Creek Falls, me and dad. So how old were you there? Only four, four or five. That's the same place where I reeled in that first fish, basically, and ran up the mountain.

Same trip. And now it was back in the service. I wonder if that was in Korea. Are you sorry, Jack? I don't know. I don't know. It could have been basic training, I guess. I think it was exercise that he did with the army at Herbert because we used to give us, and we were, you know, it's crazy about that is we're parked right next to the highway. And so it was almost like further punishment that you can't go for party, you got to stay here in your shelter house as well.

That is my daughter. That's my daughter and my dad. Again, we all loved to work with dad. It was like, you know, my parents live on an acre of land out here. So, you know, the yard is a lot to keep up with always. And that's what we spent our weekends doing. It was dad's favorite thing. He'd be out there at 7 o'clock in the morning, mowing my side of the grass for an hour to wake me up. I swear. He would do it on purpose.

I'm like, my side of grass is this big, you know? But that's, that's a, that's them. I have another one of her riding the lawnmower and he's like teaching her to drive the lawnmower and it's so cute. It's a video. I would have shared it with a video. So, he just, he loved to like bring us into his little world. And so, we're getting sick right there. Yeah. And that's, that's my daughter, Haley and him riding bikes. I think that is over on Jack O' Island.

When Haley would come up here and spend summers, you know, a couple of summers when she was little, she comes from the summers with them and stuff and they have the best time they'd go, you know, bike riding and fishing and build forts in the living room, you know? And dad and her got some good time in. That was, that was not that long ago. I mean, I guess no, it was like five, six years ago, but that's me, Haley and dad, we were out racing RC cars on this RC track that he found, this outdoor RC track.

And one of those, and that, nope, not in that picture, I don't guess. One of those, I still have the one that him and I built together. But just good times, you know? That's a great photo. That's yard work. That's yard work. Yeah, me and dad look like twins in that picture. It's crazy. And that's by the fire in the backyard. How long ago was that? Probably four years ago. And that's Haley and dad. We put a tent outside and we camped out in the tent that night, just in the backyard, hanging out, looking at the stars and building fire.

They're roasting a hot dog there. That's your mother probably. Yeah, it kind of looks, it kind of looks that way. That's me and dad with the RC, that's where we were standing until like run the RC cars. We were racing him. He won. He always won. And that's my brother. They'd work on cars. They spent countless hours going to the shooting range, you know, and working on cars and motorcycles. And that's them at the shooting range. Yeah. What is that? And that? Yes. He loved animals, period, all of them.

What's funny about this picture is I can literally hear him. I wasn't here for this. My mom took that and dad was doing yard work in the backyard or whatever. And he found a turtle, everybody thinks. And I said to mom yesterday, I was like, when I found this picture, I was like, I can hear dad right now. Kim, Kim, come look at this. Look at what I found. You know, and mom going, what Mario? And her walking to the door and he goes, look, it's a turtle.

Can you believe that? And I can hear it clear as day, you know? He just, dad would stop in the middle of the road. Literally, he just did this like two months ago. He calls me and he goes, Lexi, I just stopped in the middle of the road to save this turtle that was trying to cross the street. You know, and I was like, well, dad, I'm so glad that you got that turtle saved. You know, he's just, I'm the same way. That's just big of heart.

That's that big of a passionate Mario-sized heart, you know? Yeah. And that's Haley and dad on the motorcycle. Haley loved to ride that thing with him. That's John. That's John. That's John. Mario made Mario's motorcycle look good because he was big enough for it. It was too big for me. So that was Robert Hastings house for our clamp out. Oh, the glad, oh, that's right. Yeah, I've been to, have been to Robert's place. Yeah. There is, there isn't hell of a lot out there. That's, that's, that's for sure.

And speaking about Robert Hastings, so, I've been, I've been to Robert Hastings. I've been friends with Robert for, for quite some time now. He has introduced me to some really amazing people, such as your dad, such as John Blitch. And Robert Hastings, for those of you that don't know, he is the author of UFOs and Nukes. Mario reached out to him in 2017 and on his advice started telling his story publicly. And I want to, I want to read you something here. This is, this is from, from Robert Hastings.

During the nine years that I knew Mario, prior to Michael being reunited with him, he repeatedly expressed to me his sincere concern for his old security partner, saying he was worried that Johnson had undoubtedly been deeply traumatized by the abduction encounter just as he had been. And that it had probably cast a very dark shadow over Michael's life. This sense of compassion for another person's plight was a central part of Mario's personality and a testament to his character. Indeed, whenever I interacted with Mario, I found him to be unfailingly kind, honest and self-effacing, simply put, he absolutely radiated integrity.

Perhaps above all, he was resolutely determined to tell the world the truth about what had happened to Michael Johnson and him that night in November 1977. Taking my advice in 2017, he agreed to be interviewed on as many podcasts as possible. Shortly before he passed, he told me that he had done 38 of them. Despite the extensive and often hostile pushback, he got from the skeptics on social media. He politely put, politely, but firmly stood his ground. Former intelligence officer and whistleblower David Grush, while appearing on the Joe Rogan show called Mario a Trailblazer.

Moreover, persons commenting on a hastily created Mario support group thread on signal expressed the exact same sentiments again and again over the past couple of weeks. Someone clearly loved and admired Mario, a truly honorable man. We're not ashamed to repeatedly say exactly that as the worrisome and ultimately tragic events unfolded. Again that from Robert Hastings. Robert had kept me updated about your dad. He was the one who reached out to tell me that your dad was not well. Go ahead, John. Robert Hastings was the one that introduced me to Mario.

I got him by the phone and then we physically met down there. Do you want to talk about the T-shirt? Lexi? The artwork on the back of this? Because your dad sketched this, right? And then the rest of it? Dad had told me once he was in the hospital, he was like, man, he's like, I want to make these T-shirts with my artwork on them. I was like, well, where's the drawing book, Dad? So I got the drawing book and I asked him, I was like, well, which one do you want to use?

And he gave me this one, you know, and it was a sketch of it. And I basically took it and I put it in AI and did some editing to it and got the picture and I sentenced it to John and John. I was like, guys, I'm going to make this shirt and John just graciously was like, it's done. I made it. I was like, cool. And dad got to see it, dad got to see it. You know, what's perhaps most important about Mariel Michael's story is that right after, you know, when this event happened at November 5, they passed out as those beings came towards them towards the truck.

But when they came to, what was so stunning was they were in the middle of a mud circle up against new old damn like 10 miles away ish. And that's what is so compelling about this story. How do you get a truck to be deposited in the middle of mud with no tire tracks? That's what was the most compelling aspect of that story, you know, just from a kind of science behavioral standpoint that makes this so compelling. So that was the scene. He's very talented, art wise.

Obviously, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Lexi, what the two of you collaborating to get that together? Indeed. And I mentioned Jesse Michaels of the American Alchemy podcast. He sent us this, of course. He became close to Mario. And Jesse had this to say, Mario was one of the best men I knew. He was sensitive, extremely intelligent and honorable. He was loyal and beyond persistent. He never gave up on his remarkable story or his partner, Michael against all odds, stigma and government gaslighting Michael's own words.

Quote, "You never gave up on me. Couldn't have been more apt. Fifty years of intense persistence and pure loyalty, Mario wasn't a run of the mill guest for me." The second he walked into my studio, I loved the guy. I felt his heart as buoyant positive energy and immediately noted his, you can't pronounce that, a memory. I saw a man who wouldn't give up, who wouldn't let a story go lightly into the night despite the ridicule and government not caring. I saw someone who could see things in reality others couldn't.

He was hypersensitive to what lay beyond the veil. To notice the lives, synchronisities, we became fast friends and talked constantly. He became like family to me. The last week has been devastating and hard to process. Mario's passing felt so sudden and senseless. It happened in many ways just as things were turning around for him. He had beautiful plans for his future and for once felt vindicated about that fateful night at Ellsworth. Mario and I loved to talk about number synchronisities. He passed on 1234. I don't know what that means, but I like thinking that it means he ascended to somewhere higher, a place that deserves him and his beautiful heart.

In many ways I lived more in my head than my heart. Mario taught me how to feel my feelings and live with love. Something I can never repay him for. I was so lucky to be a part of his reunion with Michael and I pray for Michael, Lexi and Mario's family. I hope that they continue to get the love support and help that they need as they grieve. I love you Mario and maybe one day I will see you again. Beautiful words from Jesse Michaels. The other thing that Jesse did that's so important is he paid for Yvonne, Smith to come down and take both Mario and Michael through those hypnosis sessions to help them cope with what they have been through.

She's got another hero in the story in helping them process through it. And that also speaks to their courage again to go on such a public forum and they're both crying and showing a lot of emotion in those hypnosis sessions. And again, it speaks to that leadership quality of being willing to be vulnerable, both Mario and Michael in that sense. So that's off to Jesse for that as well. Absolutely. I'd like to, what do you want the world to remember about your dad? The big question.

I think that overall I want people to remember the kind of human my dad showed up as, the authenticity that he showed up with, the compassion and the love for everybody around him. And I want people to know that if my dad could come out with his story that they can too. And it's okay, there's a group of people waiting to hold you in that. You know, and you don't have to do it alone anymore. I want people to honor my dad by being their most authentic selves because I think that overall that is what matters the most and to be compassionate for the people around us.

You know, I got to say this because it just keeps coming to my mind, right? We were talking about how how selfless my dad is and stuff. And like in the hospital, even he's like getting bags and bags of platelets and bags and bags of blood, you know, just every single day for 20 days. It's just like never ending. And this man looks at the nurse and goes, "Well, where can I go to donate platelets?" And I'm like, "Dad, could you maybe just like hold on to the platelets that you're getting?

First, I'll go donate the platelets. You just hold on to what you're getting because you can't even hold platelets right now." You know? And like that's still what my dad is thinking about is like, "Well, where can I go to donate platelets?" Who thinks like that? You're dead. So it's like, that's it. That's it. You know? And I, that's the way he was and that's who he is. And like if I can be half the person that he was by the time I'm 70, then I will have done something, you know?

And I want to just keep his story alive and the person that he was, you know, the kind, honest, compassionate, loving, safe space that he was. John, you were going to say something, I believe? Oh, I just want to augment. Everything Lexi said, "You already are. Lexi, just keep doing what you're doing, and I think, you know, the other thing is the truth aspect of it. You know, we live in a society that is so deception oriented and Mario and you, Lexi, are cutting through all that with the ball, the inconvenient truth of what has occurred.

And I think that's the other aspect of this, the loyalty and the truth that never wavered. There was incredible pressure on him to bend this way or that way and never did. Just held the line. And you're obviously continuing on that that way so I can see, I can see his big old smile smiling down on you right now, Lexi. He is so amazing. Absolutely. I want to say something. Please, man. Go ahead. This guy, I have no idea who this guy is, but he texted me, well, he actually texted my dad's phone this and he said, "I'll miss you, Mario.

I hope you found peace. You weren't just an interview for me. You became a friend, a confidant." And then his last sentence, he said, "You became a North Star for morality and what it meant to be." Yeah, I absolutely love that. One of the things that I thought was interesting about what Jesse Michaels had said. He said, "Mario and I love to talk about number synchronicities." He passed on one, two, three, four. And I shared this with both of you before the show, but night before last, I woke up and it was 3-3-3 in the morning, which has happened to me in the past any time I've had any kind of UAP experiences.

But this morning in particular, so I have sleep apnea. I wear a CPAP and my little CPAP machine when you wake up and I'll turn it off and it shows me the hours and minutes that I had the CPAP on and running. Because sometimes in the middle of the night, I'll just take the thing off. And so I'll wake up and that's the first thing I do as I turn it off to see how long I slept with it. So I wake up this morning. I have no idea what time it is.

I hit the thing and I don't remember the time, but it had an hour and minutes. And then I immediately pick up my phone to see what time it is and it's the exact same time that was on the CPAP machine. I don't believe in coincidences and I totally took that as a message from your father. But tell us a bit, Lexie, about your discussions, about neurology, numbers, etc. I think that's really fascinating. Yeah, I mean, now is something me and dad always connected on. You know what I mean?

And we just talk about the repeating numbers that we would see and a lot of times funny enough it was 333. I've been waking up at 330 almost every morning and last night I woke up at 333, which is funny because you're like two nights ago, it was 333. And I have the tendency to say the same thing I grabbed my phone to see exactly what time is it. Me and dad would send text back and forth each other where it's like 333 or like a screenshot of the screen and it's like 1-1-1 or 333.

And we just, it always just connected to like, we'd connected to angel numbers or different, the spiritual meanings of the numbers and whatnot. And I told you, I did the same thing with numerology in general is mathematical and you're adding numbers and stuff like that a lot of times to get certain numbers. And I did it with the time he died, which was 1234, 1-234, the steps to ascension. So it's funny that Jesse was like, I'd like to think that he ascended, right? Because yes, that's the message I got immediately after he died.

And then also if you add those numbers up, 1 plus 2 plus 3 plus 4 is 10, which is 1. And is also a number of new beginnings, right? 9 is endings. He died on 1016, 2026, which is 9 endings. You know, it's like endings on this physical plane and then the time of death is his ascension. You know? Yeah. So, so folks, Mario has asked that in Lu, Mario's family is asked in Lu of Flowers donations be made in his memory to the Humane Society of South Coastal Georgia.

Tell us a bit about that. We of course have put in the YouTube description the link you had sent that is the online obituary. Okay. I'd like to clarify something though. Please. In Lu of Flowers, it would either be to zero or the Humane Society. The reason that I chose to do that in all honesty is one because of the people who are skeptical. We put the Humane Society on there because that's where he got Daisy from and Daisy was his best girl that he called her, his favorite dog ever.

And then zero, I'll let John talk about, but zero, I wanted to only have zero on there to be completely honest. Because I feel like that's what that would have wanted. You know, that's what helped dad find his whole way into this community. So John, do you want to talk about zero for a second and what that is? Yeah, this is a, this is an old, old and very well established organization started by Yvonne Smith. It stands for the Close Encounter Resource Organization, not research organization.

It's about resources for people with PTSD or with post-traumatic stress, not necessarily with a disorder that Yvonne and many others in her network supported. So zero helped Mario cope with his experiences and that's what Yvonne is all about. He does collect data on the side, but the most important aspect is to make people feel better about themselves and help them with their mental health challenges associated with these sorts of experiences. So shout out to zero and that organization. And Yvonne's the one who did dad's regression as well.

So and Michael's. Okay. Okay. Finally, Lexie, what, what do you think if your dad were here right now? What do you think he would say to everyone watching this show? Well, the first thing that's coming into my mind is I made it and I have all the answers, you know, and past that is to be strong to speak your truth and to not back down. I love that. And it's spirit, I love that. And it's spirit, I love that. Well, God bless you and your family and yeah, and I appreciate you coming on and talking about what a great human being, great father, great role model that he was and John, thank you very much for for being such a great friend at tomorrow and giving giving him the gift of of community and understanding and friendship and empathy and love.

Yeah, I mean, that's that's that's that's something else. You know, like see John, before we go, I want to show you something. I had sent John, I'm sorry, I had sent Mario a message on signal was an early, early June, I'm to be honest, I'm really horrible about keeping up with folks, but I, but I, it's, it's sent him a message about a show that I had done and asked how he was doing and that was, that was the last time I had had sent him something and and this was his, his reply.

Hey, Matt, times sure are changing. That was a so true because I know yeah, the change in because of him in all the right directions. Absolutely. And that's the moral, the truth. Yeah, it definitely has. Well, I thank you both for for tuning in. But we're going to air now. This will be the last, we won't be providing any more commentary, but what I'm going to play now for everyone is the this just I think one of the one of the most profound interviews I had ever done with it with a guest with Mario would Mario love you.

God bless you and I look forward to seeing you on the other side. So let's watch Mario tell his story in his own words. We are joined today by one such whistleblower retired Air Force Staff Sergeant Mario Woods. Mario, how are you? That's what I mean to do because I was in the Boy Scouts growing up also. Or tough Scouts and Boy Scouts. So, so I have to stop you. I just realized I made a, we had a little technical bug here and it looks like your audio was muted.

So everyone was hearing me, which I can tell you they would much rather be listening. So I'm just listening to you than that may so sorry for our it's been a kind of a technical bad juju this morning uplifting tweets. He just he just texted so anyway sorry about that. So we're getting we're going to back up actually so so yeah so again just kind of briefly give us your background before you got into the got into the Air Force. Oh, we're going to hit the rewind button.

Athletic kind of guy I did race I did race a lot of motocross and I really enjoyed that sports beautiful sport and I got to see some of the best racing on the planet and so in California for 71 72 world ground pre's and see all the Europeans when they used to dominate the sport which is now supercrossed today in stadiums and this was all outdoor motocross and I race quite a bit and went to high school tried to learn to surf but I got killed and then did do that anymore got in a wave of the shark one time didn't like that.

Then we moved back to Tampa, Florida and it was just a short period of time later in 73 when our father was involved in car accident and really in the morning and and it took his life and it changed everything from my entire family and just couldn't go in the Navy so I I enlisted in the Air Force I went in delayed and list my program just so I could I would come out and for six years and I would come out of basic as an Airman first class versus an Airman basically corn Airman.

Okay so you go through basic go through basic training and then your next assignment is is what? Oh I'm sorry. Well you know you go through basic training as an overall general training program and then you specialize in whatever career feel that you're going into mind most security police. Being that I couldn't wire rocket engine because I'm color blind but anyhow you go through Air Base Ground Defense training which is very substantial and it's about six weeks in duration and then you know you live at a prisoner of war camp and that was a lot of fun and you do a whole lot of real technical training and a lot of sensitive nuclear materials based training for the nuclear platforms or whatever weapon storage programs that you would later be involved with.

There are two different classification and law enforcement in the Air Force and one is LEDs or law enforcement in the other security police and they're both police officers but security police more dealt with or dealt with like runway functions, weapons, storage areas that type of thing whereas the law enforcement personnel more or less patrol the base facilities and operations, base housing. We all work together. We just had different assignments but it was a very good thing and I really enjoyed it. I do it again if they'd have me even though I'm 67 I still go back today.

But my first base of the assignment was elsewhere at the Air Force Base after basic and all said technical training in schools and I was real surprised to me because I've never been in the Dakotas at all and it's an absolute beautiful place and I can live there today. I got to go back there in 2020 I believe. I think it was 2020 with that Discovery Plus channel and relived the whole thing and go to all the different sites which everything's decommissioned but it's all still there and it's really neat and all the roads I know I'm like to back on my hand it's like it's road mapped into me as well as my aorta is.

I know I'm going to wait there. I'm going to say that. How else to say that? Well let's see we got some photos from you here that I'd like to bring up and we'll start with some of the earlier ones that you had and just would love to get your comments on it. So this is you, how old were you there? This is you and your mom I take it? Me and my mom, yeah my mom. She's a sea past kind of early about 53 years old and I think I was probably 10 or something like that I guess summer maybe.

But yeah that was a fun morning and it's funny how you see a picture and you can remember that day. I remember today. Well she was a great lady best cook in the world and taught me how to fry chicken. Southern cooking man. Yeah. Southern cooking. Okay then this was another one I thought was interesting. Tell us about this. Yeah this was a real strange vessel. This is the Marine Salt Aquine and my father served on this vessel up to about 1963 or two I believe.

It may have been important in Puerto Arthur, Texas that I'm not sure if it's date of sinking but this vessel is in Charles Brelitz's book The Bermuda Shrine Bowl and my father had two cousins on this boat. And when my dad got off of it he was a 29th person and I think he was a third engineer. Okay. He got an off from Mexico and that's why he got off of it in Puerto Arthur but prior to getting off of it she was docked port side as you see right now at a dock in Puerto Arthur, Texas where we lived.

My father took me on that vessel and well only my hand in fact then there were no laws concerning a gangway being netted so there's nothing to catch you. My greatest fear I was like five years old holding my dad's hand with my left hand and I remember the distance between those steps on that gangway and the gangway was really tall and I later worked for a ship of Maritime Shipyard Company in my life. So I always paid attention to growing up gangways and they seemed as if the steps back then were a lot further apart of course I was a lot smaller but I lost my shoe going up that gangway that night but my father took me up there and so he went there to gather his stuff and say goodbye to a shipmates and I had to walk around with one shoe on one shoe off and my mother wasn't happy with that.

Well I got home because my you know all the oil and the stains they're home the deck of the vessels pretty bad. Oh God. Yeah I'll bet. Okay now let's see. Yes she's saying now she's saying mysterious conditions and dry tortuous with the tongue of the ocean down south of South End of Florida and nothing was ever found except in the very center of the vessel on the very top of that flight bridge there's a name plate up there and it said marine sulfur queen and they found an issue LF on Miami Beach and I don't know what year that was but it was on the news that's all I ever found ever.

No bodies no nothing. Wow. Mysterious. I'm really just right about it. Alright let's have a look at this next one here I particularly like this so what is going on there. I was just acting acting crazy that was that Herbert feel in Florida I believe. We were on an exercise and of course we had to pitch a tent I just dug a trough with that knife around my whole around the whole tent you know just a few inches deep to run off water because we were expecting rain so that's somebody just said hey man I'm taking a picture and I just did that through that Emma through that Emma mouth and did it like a fool so that's all there was to that we were done here for a large exercise with the army and Air Force personnel from many different bases and so it was always a good time really was a great time.

So the Air Force guys see guys got along fine with the with the army guys. Yeah there was a little spading every now and then a little some bad jokes like you know on the latrines you know were normally like what they brought you 50 guys can be on there at the same time everything's got big troughs you know. Sure. I'll see his rangers walking and they're walking out and somebody here so popped and fizz they'll throw a smoke grenade behind them you know. So the blade's out.

So it sounds like my ice you know. It sounds like my high school days having fireworks fights in the backyard with with my buddies. Yeah definitely good time. Okay so before we really start digging into this okay so you're assigned to a nuclear missile base. So describe for those that don't understand how our nuclear missiles are set up. Describe just how a nuclear base is set up and then what exactly your job was and then we'll show a start showing some of the photos that you sent.

Okay. Elzler their force base was the main support base and Elzler is also supported as strategic aircraft wing uploaded you know ready to go bombers and at that time they were V52 age models and the missile field as I would call it it was three squadrons yet this is well really a three sectors the 66 67th and 68th and that means like down by the badlands there were five existing facilities there then in the center area just up to the north of Elzler if you had five additional launch control facilities and then up near Sturgis all the way to the Wyoming border you had five more.

So you had a total of 15 launch control facilities where you lived and these missiles are spread everywhere as I said I stated like from the badlands all the way over to the Wyoming state line all the way north to probably half the way of our two north Dakota and then that would that would coordinate with my not air force base then you had Maustrum you know in Montana and F.E. warning Wyoming so that formed the central United States you know ready minute men to missile network and these were men and men to rocket so they're a little bit larger than the men and men ones and it all saw a few rockets so and we maintain security over those particular sites where we live for three days at a time and then offer three to four days depending upon you know what the rotation of the shift was and we worked shifts from 6 a.m. to 6 p.m. or 6 p.m. to 6 a.m. and on duty didn't even give a time there would be three security police officers and there would be a flight security controller who dispatched his team which would be myself and another member or leader and until I became a place in the role of a flight security controller so they have direct communication

with the officers under stairs I guess the staffing of a launch control facility or six security police officers a facility manager a site cook and you have four officers which are your missile launch officers two or all duty unit given time they're underground about 60 to 75 feet in the capsule that capsule is secure the flight security controller in the upper office secure the door that enters the elevator to that area and controls all access to it we back him up accordingly when we discuss to an affected alarmed missile site there's a certain I should say a code not a code but a number given to what the alarm could be and everything's a different situation and that's what we used to call sits like a sit six or sit four or whatever it may be we primarily handle those two but we had a lot of launch facility checks at all times just like you do normal patrols if you replace officer on the outside you were checking a bank down compared to a chamber converse building or anything like that it's the same difference but just displaced that for nuclear weaponry and okay so we've got a few photos here so this is so this is so this is one of the minute man ICBMs here that that's correct standing on the right now

that's a that's a photograph commemorating that particular event of that day of the strategic air wing and it's the 44th strategic air wing as we were the 44th missile security squadron there and it might be with you know they I guess the announcement of a of both strategic air and missile combination I'm really not sure but that is on display at the Rapid City airport and it's there's really a great bunch of photos I could only get so many over two you real quick but I stood there for 45 minutes taking pictures of pictures the last time when I flew there in 2020 that I've never had before but it was really quite a quite quite a facility and in any given time it else were there were about 815 security police officers so I was told once that once out of one of every four people that you met on base was a security policeman I can be wrong about that that's what I was once told now this here is this on is this on the job no that's so that's at Sandy and National Laboratory and I'm a Kirk new Mexico out on the bat hundred acres per se where we were doing we just came out of a gas house on that a gas shoot house and this was a security response team

training for the United States Department of Energy okay well yeah yeah yeah well yeah we'll chat about that later so the I think this one is probably more appropriate that is and right there would be like kilo six site now that wasn't taken when I was there but that's the configuration that we would be in and they would be in today and that would be pretty much ready to go with a Cadillac gauge rumored personnel carrier or 50 cal now on top of it there's one on the ground also fire teams or QRT teams no leaders at helicopter but I can't see that's in the upper left hand portion of that picture and that'd be a quick reaction force coming from the main support base at Ellsworth that's that base is 55 miles away from where I was located and away from most of the other launch control facilities when you lived out there got it okay so let's so let's look at the facility so there's that and then so so what are we looking at here that is no number one today and there've been decommissioned and in that door that's on the lower left it's on the left through that door that door was normally kept sealed from the inside would be the elevator shaft

to go underground approximately 60 70 feet where the capsule was located and the officers but I just took that picture because I you know I couldn't believe that this site was still there and that you know just the it just brings back so many memories and even that antenna that you see above the roof line I helped erect that thing the day that it came out the bunch of us out there yeah and we had three it was for TV reception I mean looks like a great antenna for that doesn't it yeah but we only had three channels ABC CBS and NBC and they all you know ended their signal a broadcast at 12 o'clock at night so you got that old crazy symbol up and that's the front part of the facility that's the that's where the flight security controller would be and that's the door that actually stepped out of that night when I viewed this graph to the east at about a 30 degree rise on the horizon and do east of my position where I was standing now what is this yeah that is November 5 missile site when they were decommissioned they they removed everything that was underground the silo was all caved in or exploded in filled with rock but they left the

bed of rock there and the fencing so the so these areas were the highest points for a lot of these ranchers that owned these pieces of property they were released for 99 years and instead of their hay as you can see there is hay getting wet being stored elsewhere it was up and above you know the normal elevation of the surrounding prairie so it would stay dry so those were really select areas that these ranchers quickly captured to because there'd be more than them I have two of three sites on his property so these ranchers out there on 50 60 80 thousand acres of land you know at lands been in their family since the 1800s since it was settled so they kind of prize that because the you know the government left the fencing fencing goes down about four feet in the ground also and it's heavily rock but today there's a cattle processing building made of metal red and white that's sitting on November 5 so this was just part of that time so and this is November 5 from an aerial view of Google Earth now so what describe this map here if you would okay that's showing us worth air force bases and in conjunction to where November 1 is located but I'll go if you

follow that to the to my left you go up the highway of 90 to Sturgis and then highway 79 as you see goes straight up it's going straight through Sturgis we should stop there and get food on a way out to our site and come up come straight up through Bear butte and which looks like a bear laying on its side there's a national memorial at there also cemetery and and you're straight on highway 79 was November 1 first you pass through the small town of Nuel which is not shown there and there it is at the upper up above the Nesland road you can see Nuel and we were just out eight and a half miles like yes from Nuel out to November 1 and it would be on the left of highway 79 got it okay so so let's um let's try to think I think we've kind of um actually I want to show another another really good thing uh so this this was awarded what at your exit of of the air force what can you tell us about this war well it was a stand-board evaluation like is an overall an overall test of your job performance and job knowledge and practicality of it and what you do during a given situation and I scored really really high on it and they awarded my commander awarded

it to me so it was just really nice to have and uh everybody needs one I kind of shared it sure yeah I agree now so people kind of get a sense of the level of responsibility so you're you're literally guarding a flight of missiles which are what fly to 10 nuclear tip thiccbms these things have more destructive power than than Hiroshima uh capable of just wiping out a whole city right yes well they were 1.2 megaton weapons and uh I think Hiroshima I'm not really sure the size of I don't think it was a megaton I think it was quite smaller than that I don't want to say a number because you know people try to hold you to and I hold meeting anything I say but I just I don't know the number I just know smaller than a megaton now and uh sorry go ahead no no no we have we are responsible for 10 missiles at each launch control facility which comprised or made up 150 total men and men two missiles at Ellsworth Air Force Base and I only say Ellsworth because that's the main support base and you're dispatched everywhere in the missile field where you go down toward the badlands and the echo area or delta area or are the 68th area where I was located

in November or Keelow area every launch control facility is responsible for 10 missiles and you patrol those missiles just like they're your best friend I mean you just you go out there and you check them every day you do fence patrols you do internal fence patrols you and you escort teams to there to do maintenance you uh you maybe you have to coordinate or maybe people flown out by helicopter to land on the site and you coordinate those that flight activity that they're authorized to be there and you know give them hand signals bringing them in or taking off or you know that's your responsibility and and uh it weighs heavily in everybody so you just got to do what you got to do so what kind of security clearance uh do you have to hold in order to protect these nuclear missile sites uh well being out I didn't have direct access to the to a nuclear uh uh sensitive nuclear material at at any time by myself like like picking up this cut for instance you can't do that um I had a secret intact along with everybody else out there however we also work no matter two menteems uh or it was two it was two people president at all and anything in which we did it was a no no loan zone so you couldn't open any areas by yourself

that you weren't supposed to be in that involve nuclear weapons or nuclear materials or or net resources so you're always with someone right and um so this isn't a job that uh just anyone can have the the the background checks the the clearance you have to have just because of this awesome responsibility for such a powerful weapon right absolutely and and you know it goes much further than that I mean you could uh I mean you know we were authorized to use the deadly force and and that could mean anything you know in a police type activity or duty better be federal or state or what have you but you know assist in a car accident or what if you were in sturgis and a bank robbery took place or something would you participate yeah I would I try to save lives and that's you know that's what our charter is just like a regular police officer just we're in military uniform uh operating under the UMC and UMC take uniform code military justice so anyway um that's that's how we that's how we work okay so let let's jump to the to the story that I think is I've heard a lot of stories and I've been in touch with Robert Hastings for quite some time

who wrote yeah UFO and nukes and uh boy we we had that guy a dead of a dead of gratitude for for bringing this out and into the open so so in 1977 what happened when you were on duty? well really it just it was happenstance I uh it was extremely cold and it was between like nine and thirteen degrees um I was in uniform of course I had on long johns and I worked this six pm the six a.m. shift and it was our first day in the field we had just gotten there that day and I had a new partner that was uh his name is Michael Johnson who we've been trying to locate for years and uh a lot of money's been spent trying to locate him that we've been unsuccessful and hopefully arrow can find him because they've got all the information I've got on him and if anybody can find him they should be able to uh but going back to that uh I just happened to step out the front door and you saw in that uh picture a little bit ago I think it was number ten and uh I was gonna I smoked cigarettes and I was gonna just get out and get some fresh air because we had steam heat

inside the launch control facility and uh it was always warm or always air condition I mean it was they were very comfortable facilities you can never go wrong there food was great everything was good you were just out there at three days at a time you know with uh the six other guys but anyway I stepped outside a smoke cigarette right out that front door and I just was looking at the sky I like always do and I just had to notice something that was east of me at about a 30 degree level on the horizon and at first I honestly thought that it was B 52 bombers you know from the main base of elsewhere because we supported that strategic air wing there uh and then they have some really large landing lights I don't know how big they are you know sized diameter wise but they have some really bright we you know aircraft has some bright lights anyway so back then and he's a wartime uh aircraft so they probably have brighter lights and commercial birds to today I don't know but it looked it looked as if the lights were coming toward me uh because it certainly wouldn't make any difference left or right which would have been north or south and I just sat there from

into watching it and it was large enough to wear if I put my hand up out stretch like this it it covered the lights but if I did this the light was around my palm around my hand my fist and I went hey well that's really strange real strange and it was there for a while I mean three four five minutes I'm watching it before I even thought about it I just okay could it be Venus or Jupiter or something though it wasn't either the moon wasn't big enough for the moon but it was it was larger than he starred everything and it was just in that position and it didn't move that's what I thought it was coming to me so I don't know where the idea came from and I guess it was working my dad and I've seen tongue boats I've seen you know ships flashlights of each other at sea and that kind of thing and of course you've seen war movies where they flash each other you know and you know communicate that way so I thought well I got all these facility lights right here behind me so I'm gonna I'm gonna flash the lights at it I mean to them whoever was whoever was up there had to

look as if you know we're the only thing in the middle that prairie there are no other lights out there at all I don't even know how far I guess the bell foosh which was I don't know 35 39 miles away don't quote me but I think of course news behind me eight or nine miles and I thought well I'll just go in here and I'll flip the lights at it so there were these are 12 or 14 light cans on a perimeter and that's what they were security perimeter lights and they were on the building and on our fence line and of course they they they shown outward you know so we could see anything coming towards us we had electronic gates we had you know 10 foot fences and entire facilities fenced in and it's in the facilities kind of hardened so anyhow or the above ground our billow ground hearts are hard and we could all get there if we had to but anyways I walked inside and a perimeter mine built a staffs are to build hallmen was on the phone and I said hey Bill I said I see something out here and we worked together before down in another site but anyway I said there's there's something in the area out here I saw an atmosphere

and I said I think it's beef it I think it's boss or that's a nickname I think you live in a city I'm not sure but I said I'm gonna flip it to several lights at it you might he didn't even he just kind of looked up and just kind of waved me off you know so sure enough I just reached up and just flip the lights at this thing and all I always go off and on just a little rockers earth like a twist switch you know off on off on off on did that three or four times walk back outside to write where I'm standing maybe 20 feet outside the door looking to my right in east at about 30 degrees and there's that hump and and I've been standing there maybe 15 to 20 seconds and all of a sudden it blinked off blinked off blinked off blinked off blinked off and came back on so three times it did that not just went wow it answered me not not know what it was I really honestly thought it was an aircraft and I thought well that's strange I must see me but it's not getting any closer and I should be hearing something I should be hearing something now you know and I didn't

so I went back into the front door and this little festival area beside that picture I showed you where that's the flight security controller's office there's a little hallway and it opens up into the day room and Michael Johnson was sitting in there and I don't remember if there was anybody else in the day room that was still watching the UV or not I really don't remember but I said Michael come here and check this out in the menu I just met him that day on our ride out we we did our our relief on and these big blue air force buses the Glacier School buses just painted blue with your third-force auto and the windows are tinted out and I decided really didn't know him and my partner he had gone home to North Carolina to get married and so he's taken 30 days of vacation and I said Michael come I here and check this out man or something up here in the air and he just kind of looked at me and I don't think he gave me much credit and he was my team leader he had ranked you by two months so instead you know he was a team leader that for that time now in the field and so he walked

outside reluctantly you know and stood up there and he just kind of looked he still didn't say and then I said see that thing right there I said I flipped the lights at it and it went all it flipped the lights back at me three times and he just kind of looked at me and I don't know he didn't believe me I said stay right here I'm gonna go do it again so I went and did it again and I can't ram back out there as soon as I did it I did three or four times ram right back out there and stood next to him about 15 seconds later it went off and it stayed off and it moved and it went further north but yet it got closer in the underworks instead of just straight north it was kind of like an easterly north easterly kind of trajectory but it stayed the same altitude and it flipped that on it didn't move a lot but it moved where it was and I really thought I said I must be an aircraft when I said when they did that they must just see they see us it's either aircraft or helicopters you know we I think we had those super black hawks or something like that then okay um we didn't

have jolly greens that I knew of that I guess have more army at the time but we have super black hawks we had that we were affected relief and those a couple of times when we were snowed out there in the field but anyway I said what do you think many goes off he goes whatever I think he said that to me he said it make up a more times he really didn't have any comments on anything of that night you know which was really bad that from later on but anyway um so it flipped on it flipped off and then it flipped on and then it flipped off and then that was pretty much it and uh and I said what do you think that is man I say in helicopters I said you hear anything because literally you couldn't hear there's nothing out there there's no cars your way off the highway it's not a very used highway or it's not an interstate let's put it that way and uh he just said like whatever he said I don't know what it was and he walked back inside so I walked back inside I flipped the damn lights at it one more time and then it appeared but it was it was much further north so that was three times

that it went out it went out and it came back on and the third time it stayed off for just a little bit and then it went off and that this time comprised about 10 after nine so I'm right in here 10 15 minutes after nine till about nine 35 nine 40 and I'm trying to be exact here because it's important I'm going over this timeline a million times I've had to you know over the years I just you just you got to get this right in your mind so I literally said to myself I don't know I remember this I said well I guess this shows over it's exactly what I said to myself I was out there alone and I walked back in I didn't say anything to Bill Hall I just went back into the day room and I sat down and I picked up a book or grabbed a back emin board or something you know we got a ping pong table and they're also we're already eating dinner so I just kind of cooled out for a while and uh watch some TV and as it michael he just doing he was doing and we didn't discuss much or anything I just thought it was really cool we just seen and the net works all went off the air at midnight or just a few seconds

afterwards and so TV went off and I'll it just as a guess it was about 12 20 some are right in there all of a sudden you heard the alert phone and the flight security controller's office it went off and it's one of those phones that ring direct I'm not gonna do it I've done it so many times I feel like I fool it it's a ring that you have to pick it up you can't you can't avoid it I mean that's an emergency so these guys need something so pick the phone up so the FSC flight security controller does that so I heard Bill Hall must say sit for November 5 and that was a little different alarm that you don't normally have it was an outer and an inner alarm penetration or activation I should say I shouldn't say penetration and uh so we gathered our stuff and everything and Michael got the safety briefing which is that's relevant to every single time you get in that vehicle and wherever you're going they know where you're going I know how long it takes to get there and of course you implement five minute security checks until you arrive and then you give updated security checks and not only is the flight security controller listening and the missile launch control can

can crew listening but wing security control that's overall security activities back at elsework their course base and all these bases have the same W wing security control they're monitoring the conditions or the situations in which we're investigating so you have these three different functions going on to one time that everybody's listening and what you're telling them and uh so we grab our ditty bags that's what we call them you know it's great big huge bag and it's got all your clothes in in case you got to spend the night on the site in a pickup truck which is to help you quite a bit if you know the snow sets these alarms off and you can't recite them without digging out between all three antennas which is four or five foot of snow is a lot to dig you know and I think everybody even security police out there has served has probably done it more than once but anyhow so it was not travel time was only maybe 12 or 15 minutes to know when five it happened to be the closest launch facility LF to no one want LCF so you know we know it's really close and I was the one that knew the way to air to all of our sites because Michael Johnson he's

from another another sector I guess and he didn't work out there and so we gathered up everything our weapons our code tables and what all we had and we operated a F-154 pickup truck at that time which were our response vehicles weapons racks in the back of them they just two will drive trucks believe it or not not four will drive and loaded up and proceeded on with the gate to minst our security checks and went to the first everything out there's clay roads on these back roads off the highways and you can go from highway 79 turning west and go all the way to Wyoming on dirt roads straight as an arrow or you can go east and hell always of Sioux Falls if you want to but you can literally travel travel half that state on dirt roads if you so desire and they're good roads are really nice they're not bad at all and maintain them really well so as we were traveling to the first left and the second left at the next intersection again play roads we're proceeding up to highway 79 which was about four and a half miles with that's about how far we are off of highway 79 to launch control facility and as we were traveling I'm in the past Newsy and

I guess we're in like a on a prairie you know you have lows and highs right on like plateaus and so forth as we were going up to highway 79 to the approaching top of a I guess the top of the plateau and I just happen to look over to the right in the direction of where November 5 would be because we would go from low up to high like that and I see something bright and pulsing way off in the distance at about a four-plot position and I go it might have been 330 position as I you know as as I remember but anyway it was pulsing and I thought what what was that I you know I've been out here a long time I've never seen anything like that and so I tell Michael Johnson as we were coming up to highway 79 I said man there's something bright pulsing over there by November 5 I said you know first thing you want to think is there's maybe there's an nuclear accident or something like that something bad going happening there and but it didn't really it didn't really excite him at all he just kind of said whatever again you know he's used it a couple times anyway as we got to highway 79 in turn right now we're on top of that plateau and I looked at about

the one o'clock at that four o'clock became my one o'clock and you could really see this bright pulsating like light emanating I believed from the ground I don't know if it's electrical transformer or something that gone bad I don't remember transformers being on any of the poles out there and there weren't hardly any poles most of the stuff's underground they they were smart enough to build with their electricity underground when they built it I mean really amazing for that part of the country you know and it's really neat but because you certainly can't be without power in a blizzard in a thunderstorm you know when it gets 40 below zero you got to have power man so anyway I'm looking at this object pulsating and glowing or I didn't see an object I just saw this glow coming from the ground at this time and I said man that's that object at November 5 and he looks looked at me like I had lost my absolute mind which I thought maybe I had you know I mean I maybe I was jumping the gun or something that it was it was very strange and again he hit me with I don't think so or whatever in that in that tone again because he we didn't know me and I didn't know him let's put it that way

okay and so as we went down the plateau into the in toward new law to the only stop sign and then just beyond that scene there's one stop light one stop sign in Newls, South Dakota population at that time was 254 I remember because on was on the sign entering and exiting the little town of New Orleans I was 79 today is 650 people live there and a super nice people super folks and love talking to them every chance I get and anyhow as stop at the stop sign the same white house is sitting on that corner today and it's called Orman O-R-M-A and you look at it on Google Earth Orman Road turn right and we went out about I guess it's about three quarters of a mile and then the road kind of turns to the dog legs to the left is what I call it and it drops off the pavement back on the clay and then we did that there was a spherical object sitting on top of November five that was the size and I got to say it size of a super Walmart building and it was absolutely gargantuan I could not believe what I was seeing I was seeing really large ships in my day and was was really lucky to see

that growing up so large things really weren't I don't know weren't that big to me but this thing it blew everything else I'd ever seen in my life out of the water and this is a top view of it I think that's jet up yes yeah top view of it and it may not be as big I kind of ran out of paper when I drew that and it may not be as big as it was but it was extremely large and where our vehicle is in the lower right hand lower corner of this we pulled up at a 45 degree angle and noticed those little four lives on that little driveway right there that's a catalogade to keep ranchers cattle from coming out into these clay roads and we were about 20 yards 60 feet or so a little bit more from where the vehicle's positioned to them and that was our tactical throwdown ready to fight whatever stance that you want to call it against something like that you know I mean really I have to laugh at myself every time I look at this and I thought well what are we doing you know I mean this was clearly a technology that was so off the charts in my view and in my

mind and I'm sure Michael Johnson's that it's it's hard to even wrestle with and the complexity of that that's that that was in 2017 that's at my home where I am now yeah November 17 2017 but going back to that to that's that object I don't know if I felt fear or I guess you know you either it's either fight or flight right or in the process you just hope you don't mess yourself and it seemed as if as a thought occurred to me what to do next I mean in just a flash of a second light right now blink my eye you know and that in in between that blink I'll send an air in the in the cab of that truck was just literally evacuated and it felt as if I was and I was you know probably 200 pounds in but I wasn't and I was in really good shape and uh it felt as and I had on park I had on my fatigues and I had on long jobs underneath those and I had on bunny boots bunny boots we use an extremely cold weather they have internal bladders on the inside of the ankles and around the foot that you literally open a straighter valve and you blow air into them you secure

the valve and put your put them on and they keep your feet warm and some really really cold weather I mean you can't wear leather boot or something like that in this kind of this kind of atmosphere but anyway um you're in that kind of climate there's a snow out there it's like top-compatter it's extremely dry there's no humidity in and you fall off in that stuff you likely to suffocate but the air the internal atmosphere of that vehicle was just pulled away and it bothers me right now talking about it and it does every single time I don't care how many times I've discussed it by myself or in front of folks or tone folks but it just happens and I feel as if I was being pulled by pressures you know up until the back window of that single cab F-154 pickup truck and in my mind in a split second I knew the only thing that I needed to ask for relief where that thought comes from it only got knows and I grabbed a mag light that I got as a gift and I think that decel batteries and and back then in 77 that was a prize tool for any security placement to own up down mag light you know I mean they're extremely expensive and not many people had them and they weren't they

weren't regular standard issue for security placement at all but I got my hands at one and I grabbed his mag light and I reached out and I had on a I had on a minute and on this hand on my left hand and it it encloses three fingers and your trigger finger is free and it goes all the way down your wrist about mid part of your elbow and then they send you up so there you got your park on so your your hands are extremely warm and you can operate you know your weapons platform that way and and whatever else you got to do you know hands if your hands are cold and you feed a cold you're ruined you know and I didn't have a glove on my right hand and I I rolled the window down real quick and it was blasting cold I guess you know with the adrenaline going through me and everything it was just like a cold blast of air just hit me like a brick and I reached up and I grabbed the western mirrors there was stainless steel western mirrors on this with F-154 and I pulled myself up because I was afraid to step out of the vehicle I remember saying Michael Johnson I said you get out he's he'd say

nothing he was just a bathe in a blue blinding light and I said I'm not getting out so I pulled myself up on this window grabbed hold of the bubble up there of my glove in my in my left hand and I lifted up my mag light and I was just flashing this light at this object the size of a warmer building with my mag light just flashing it just bink bink bink bink bink bink bink bink and I did that five or six times and all of a sudden I could I could I just felt as if the pressure was released and I slipped back down in that seat just like that I don't know where my mag light went and I grabbed my M-16 and I and I put it through my legs and I just held on to the barrel and the A-frame side I just held on to it and I didn't know what I think as I was just kind of shaking and I I could breathe a whole lot easier and I turned him Michael Johnson and I told him that's his going to be okay now it'd be all right now as well I said to him no answer when I looked at him it was just like

the light inside this vehicle was so intense that with your eyes closed you could see almost the blood vessels in your eyes and I make sure that when it was up because I feared I feared something on the on the outside of me I feared something on the right side of that vehicle and I I knew only had that little thickness of glass separating me from what what it will was out there and I started to as I was breathing that I didn't hear any word from Michael Johnson I know the vehicle is running I don't know what but there was something in front of our windshield and it was about I don't know maybe four or five times the size of a beach ball but it was black and it wasn't solid but it was it was round if they had like it had like lines from top to bottom and in between the lines were events and it did I can hear it it just kind of shot right and left up and down it was it was it was right in front of our vehicle and it was the strangest it was I don't even I don't know they've had drones then I don't even know I didn't even learn the word drone tool sometime later

but I kept asking myself what is that what is that and I said that was I didn't see it anymore and I started to kind of close up this my tunnel vision or whatever my vision was doing now no Michael Johnson doing he was just glued to the steering wheel that that light blue plastic steering wheel at F-150 and I looked to my right as I literally was turn into black I guess I mean I it's so hard to just you're trying to talk to yourself and pass out at the same time it's very difficult to do but I looked to my right and I saw four shadowy figures about three to four feet tall and three of them and then one tall and behind them and uh but the feeling it ran through me was something that just bothered me right now but uh I heard the words inside of my body not in verbal speak at all do not fear do not fear sound like somebody I've heard before but and I I guess when you're a child and you're in your mother's womb like in your father's or your brothers or whoever speaks to your stomach to you it's kind of like that muffled we have memory of it we have memory of what we know it a lot all of us do if that happened to us but that was the memory

which I was left with that I'd heard this I felt this before this kind of this kind of speaker communication and my my seeing was if my film is in my body was on fire inside I don't know how to really come to grips with that and it's uh just something I got lived with but um the uh the little guy on the right he had something in his belt and it was like a rod that was probably 10 to I don't know 10 12 inches long and the very tip of it had like a yellow like a like a yellow ball on it of some type and it was of a yellow that I can describe it just that color to me and I'm colorblind so it could have been something else but the tall and behind the three looked and looked completely different and he had something right here on the top part of his chest that was the same color as the tip of that little rod because it all three just coincided at one time and at about the 15 foot range I just went black and that's the last thing that I remember besides hearing do not fear do not fear and uh just a just I just I don't know how much time I've

by open my eyes and uh I'm in complete blackness darkness all around me and uh I look over Michael Johnson and I said hey man I said I said where the hell are we I don't even know why I asked a question because he wouldn't know anyway he's unfamiliar with that area he didn't answer me he was stuck to that steering wheel like no person I've ever seen in my life as if he was uh catatonic was is a word I want to use but he was frozen in place I I poked this man's face I poked I pushed him in his shoulders I got hollered at him I did everything I could possibly do in just a few seconds of me opening my eyes in this total blindness because I was kind of pissed off be honest with you I didn't have any clue where I was what happened where did I say where did the object go I'm talking to myself and I'm not getting anything from a so-called team leader I popped the door open I guess I'm out of anger or the fright I'm not really sure and I and I had on the bunny boots and I stepped out and I stepped in mud now the temperature was between nine and thirteen degrees and every place else in that whole

prairie area around the site and on the site itself and on my parking lot there was ice and the ground was frozen and it had been frozen for I guess about a week we've had a blizzard or something the week before and when that place gets cold it gets extremely cold and it stays that way for a long time anyhow I stepped out in mud and I'm aware that hell are we because looking to my media right not five or six feet away from me was this slanting like wall that went straight up as far as I could see now mind you I'm in total darkness it just went straight up and it was white and it didn't go straight out of wall that you park against or something or your home wall your house this is a wall that was at an angle like forty-five degrees like an angle and it was covered in snow as far as I could see now mind you it was super dark and as far as I could see north and south that's I was trying to you know to give my compass bearings were what was north and south east and west you know I'd say it was running north and south and it was straight you know up you know forty-five or fifty feet

and um anyway um I'm still hollering at him trying to get something out of him I said Michael you got talked to me man something we got to do we got talk to somebody a radio came to life and I heard WSC in November one what's your location and it was like the boys of God just came through that radio because I hadn't heard anything since we got to that missile site I don't even remember doing security checks once we arrived or communicating with uh November one controller uh the flight security controller the officers there in November one I don't I don't remember communicating with them so I said you're going to get that thinking he'd snap out of it at any given time which he didn't do and I reached out and like again I don't know if the truck was running or it had to be running for that radio to activate I can't remember but I grabbed the motorola hand set on the dashboard and I said uh November one WSC that I said seniorman woods I said he goes what's your location and I said it's all right on how he said you need medical help and I said I'm not sure but my partner will not he won't I can't get him to speak to me a long pause to place and uh he said we we want you to do one

minute security checks airman woods and I said yes sir he goes we're trying to triangulate your location I said yes sir so I started doing one minute security checks and I probably did 10 or 15 of them I mean I might have lost a few minutes I'm shaking like hell but anyway I got to stop this so anyhow I just as I was still trying to wrestle with what was going on with him I'm pushing him I go around to the driver's side I'm kind of looking around where we are I mean why is all this mud here and what what goes because on his side it went downhill or down straight down the hill into something else and I thought where can where can we possibly be you know and I've got the men out there out the red lady of radio and I hand say lay across the seat so I can reach any driver and I'm looking at him and testing his breathing and testing to look at his pulse I check his you know not a doctor I mean I only know what I've been trained to do you know in technical school you know the life-saving measures and that kind of thing that's all I know I didn't think I'd have to use them

that quick but anyway I turn and I look to the east trying to gather my thoughts and the first thing I see is this old tree that's about 80 yards away to the south of me and it looks what got me was it looked like an old hangman's tree you know that you see in western movies it's the only tree in the middle of nowhere I mean the state tree in South Dakota is a mobbell telephone pole because there's just not that many trees it's all you know planes areas buffalo running areas but there was this old tree standing there and I probably 80 yards away and then I just have them look east and it's getting light outside and I go literally I sat in myself what the hell and I looked at my watch which was working fine just a time X watch if you ten dollar watch back then and it was after six a.m. so we arrived at November 5 at just before 1 a.m. and now you know here it is after six a.m. and I have no recollection of anything that happened from 1 a.m. to six a.m. other than what I just described to you and so I'm trying to gather my thoughts and get this and I and I see

lights coming over the horizon over over this hill and down these dirt roads where we're located and I still don't know where we are I've never been there before so I believe it was a Sergeant Garza I think it was a Sergeant Garza and I can't remember but I tried my try my best and he stopped the truck he stopped his vehicle I get about 20 yards away from us now mind you only that I know this did there were no tracks from our vehicle getting in there again we only had a two-wheel drive vehicle and the the place in which we were sitting there was nowhere to drive in forward turn a two-wheel drive truck around and then face the opposite direction of what I just described to you and struck me really odd I didn't know how to explain that and I and I didn't at that point I just couldn't figure out the mud where where where's the mud coming from so the ground had to be melted down or the ice melted down below our truck and it got about about a 20 yard radius or no 20 foot radius not 20 yards so that quickly evacuated from my mind once I thought of it but has he approached me I said I said hey Sergeant Garza I said okay but first I need some help with Michael

Johnson and he just looked at me and I said come over here I'll show you what I mean and I got to took him over there and he was still frozen to this steering wheel not speaking but he was blinking his eyes he was he was breathing everything that a person would normally do that there was just nothing coming out of him there was no emotion there was no sound there was just no reaction and I said I said look I pushed on him I've shoved on him I've done everything I can do I've yelled at him I said short of just punching the hell out of my I don't know what we can do you know and I just unbelted in you know it's we just had a lot of belts and we slid him over to the passenger seat and then I got in the driver seat and we I followed in the number one and that was three back up three alert teams came looking for so that's six security policemen so of course they broke off once we got to November 1 and in the main NR gate and we had people waiting on us the flight chief was there Sergeant Master Sergeant Gray and a sits of light chief Robert Hawkins and of course the two officers

that were on duty were now off duty they got off at 6am of course they had great amount of questions then you had the the facility manager he had his own questions and he was looking at our vehicle and all that stuff and I had to have help well they just they just ascended upon the vehicle in the parking lot and I said hey Mario what's going on because they don't know me we all play ping-pong together and they they do me and I've been out there for quite some time I anyhow so I told him I said I don't know what's going on Michael Johnson but I can't get him to speak I can't get him to react to anything I sent him to some help with him so they literally went to the passenger side of the vehicle open the door and they were talking to him you know he wasn't speaking back he was just I don't know what it is I don't know how to say well he just couldn't speak he was frozen his legs moved when they got him out and got under his shoulders to lift him and take him into the building and they took him to the back room I know they got some fluids and stuff and they took that back there of course I was

separated from him immediately the assistant flight she went to the back with one of the officers and the sight manager and I don't know what the sight cook was doing you know not that he would be in any part of this but he was getting stuff ready for whatever he had to do but I went into the day room and just sat down I literally just had to gather myself where I was I I felt as if I was displaced and I don't know how to describe the word displaced but I felt as if I wouldn't suppose to be there or something and it was really really different to to have that feeling but I answered any and all questions that one captain had for me and the other officer came up and of course my flight chief was there and they had me you know they were asking me everything they didn't ask me to write anything and even the flight security controller Bill Holliman he asked some questions he said he I remember him saying was that what you saw and I said yeah that was what I saw last night I said Michael Johnson's so I and um and I think he I think it bothered him he didn't come under and look at it but or see it but anyway he did ask that question

and I answered questions as much as I could to the best of my ability and they kept asking you know that one captain asked me he goes you know you guys doing drugs I said are you crazy oh no you know I mean that's why I threw up that outstanding performance award right there you know you don't do drugs and get that you know you don't you just don't do that and um I don't know I just try to be a rug of soda all my life and in the function that I was put into or I volunteered for and I wanted to make an example or set the example and that's what I always try to do where whatever base I was in whatever squadron I belong to so anyway after answering questions for as long as I did I uh I told him flagship I said I need to go to the restroom you know I said if I couldn't get away from him I mean that was just they were just on top of me like like I take on a bear you know I just I couldn't I couldn't get away from him so I said I need to go to the restroom so I went in there and I'm in my

fatigue still I've got long john's on him uncomfortable I didn't have my parking stuff on a ticket I taken all that stuff off and I went in install number two which is still there today and you know of all the places in that facility that I remember or was you know and bear I remember this in that room the absolute most of any thought that I have I went and I sat down on top of the toilet there's just you know stardars two stalls there two urinals and two sinks and two showers and I just sat there and all of a sudden I got this massive ringing in my ears um that that I have today that uh it's not like it was but I have it today and it always gets my attention uh I don't know if it's for from you know weapons reports or what have you but anyway um all of a sudden everything turned P green around me as if something was affecting my vision in my hearing and uh I had the sensation and I'm going to call it a sensation that I was leaving my body I was going through my body downward now I was going to exit out of my feet and I knew I knew there was honestly I swear God I knew there was a clear channel for me to do that

in my mind and in my body I said I know I'm going to leave my body through my feet where does it thought like that even come from and I literally got have I got down a somewhere into my chest area literally as as I can't even describe it to you I just know where I wasn't how I felt and it was a natural as as the sun rises every day and for some reason I crack my eyes open and when I did underneath that stall door I see four furry feet of a US Air Force German Shutter Police dog drug dog down below that that stall door and all of a sudden I just went and I can't and I was back and I said wow I mean I didn't know what else to say I just said wow like oh my god and uh the uh dog handler security policeman said hey Mario are you okay and I said yeah man and he knew me from somewhere another plane ping pong or tennis I don't know because I've been an avid senator player you know for a very long time but he said are you okay and I said I'm really not sure he said I just came to check on you and you know I knew he's heard of search my stuff as he would

be Michael Johnson's a vehicle and everything we had excuse me they had to eliminate that first so sure enough he said man I've already checked your bag he says you're good don't worry about it least I just came to check on you I heard you weren't feeling really well or you needed to come in here and I said yeah thank you and when I left when I opened up the stall of course you don't fit or you don't pether dogs unless they tell you can and then you even do that apprehensively and I just turned the sink on that ice cold water and I just blasted my face and just got soaking wet I didn't care at that point because I never experienced anything like it what I just experienced over the last couple minutes and went back out in the day room and all my my bag and everything had been picked up and placed in my supervisors vehicle and they said we're gonna uh criminal spray crew our squatter commanding was a speak with you and I said yes so I knew that was coming but I think we had to wait because we were off duty you know we I think we had to wait another 45 or a minute or an hour before

another backup alert team because that's how we would become we went from the primary alert team which with Michael Johnson out of commission we were much of an alert team but we had to wait for relief to show up on site so they were present so the man count is proper and and I left with him and then Michael Johnson went with the assistant flight chief and then the officers of course they remained you know because they're doing their three days like we would be doing our three days so this is really the first that was the second the morning the second morning that we would be out there hadn't under this happened um we'd been on bed rest and ready to go back under the at 6 p.m.

that that night so it's about 55 minutes to an hour back to Ellsworth and of course I talked you know Eric but uh it's our engraved everything that I everything that I could remember everything that I said I did not tell them at any time nor him what I saw out that window because being part of the personal reliability program and in a nuclear configuration or sensitive nuclear material configuration our team or response personnel first responder they would have eliminated me from that position and taking me out of that career field and that's what I'm going for so I never I never disclosed that when as far as the vehicle and what happened and what I saw and uh the way Michael Johnson was in his situation the size of it and that kind of thing but we arrived at the Baton Gate in Boxelder at Ellsworth and went straight to the state house building which was the 44th Missile Security Squadron Command Center building and they used to be B 52 bomber buildings our our hangers and it's converted because they were they had built new hangars for the new new aircraft and so it was a configuration of offices and everything like that wing security control was there and all that so when I went into Colonel's breakers office I had to record to him just like you

walk in I hit the door and come in standard attention saluting the whole nine yards everything and it were five people in the room and of course one of them was my flight chief and then later the assistant flight chief came but when it was a tall man in his suit still not who that person was to this day and I think he was local maybe local enforcement could have been you know could have been federal I don't know I wasn't told not in the ask and then it was OSI officer special investigation there was a he was a captain jack read which I just found that out about two months ago and a young airman by the name of Richard Dodie and Richard Dodie's been on a bunch of programs and I've been trying to make contact with him because it was really funny the first time I ever saw ancient aliens and I see this guy pop up Richard Dodie and I go wait I know that guy he was there today of my debrief so I've been trying to contact him every sense it took about four years maybe five to where he just emailed me through another podcaster got in touch with him and as their friends and he sure enough email me and I remember the incident so I've got that email also but anyway so

colon sprayer he questioned me heavily and then captain jack read he had some paperwork with him and they were all within five feet of me and I'm standard attention then at ease not allowed to sit down yet and I'm answering questions of the best of my ability I'm really I'm honestly I'm feeling kind of weak and I I think I even said that I said I asked a colonel can I sit down or I said I'm not I'm not feeling a hundred percent crunch breaker and he oh yes it was like a surprise to him at that point so they allowed me to sit down and so they asked questions the same way we did at the launch control facility and my sort of grade he spoke up a couple of times speaking to colon sprayer oh and the other guy there was either the assistant base commander it wasn't the base commander but he I believe he was the assistant or maybe one of the assistants two and assistant I don't know but he was there too and so after about one and a half almost two hours of answering their questions in mind you now it's going on what one o'clock in the afternoon so I've been up all night what I went through all that that morning travel back there to elsewhere to

to say to that building and then still going through questioning I kept asking you know what what what's going on with micro Johnson I was told not to worry don't worry about him don't worry about he's fine don't worry about him so when they ran out of questions for the time being colon sprayer say bring the senior up to the flight surgeon's office they wanted they want to take a look at you and I said yes sir and I didn't really give it a second thought you know I said okay I guess I'll do a blood test or you know you're just I'm thinking ahead with without any justification at all excuse me and um so they escort me and put me in a command in colon sprayer's vehicle the driver takes me over to the hospital and OSI goes also and does the man with the suit still nobody is I couldn't be close enough to him to ask him I don't know if I would have been bragging up to ask him at that particular time because you're made to feel you've done something wrong and you know the worst is about to come at you whatever that is because you didn't fulfill your duty and the duty we didn't do was we didn't do

the strike procedure of November 5 which I was supposed to carry out in the investigation as to what caused those alarms to go off we never did that and that that's that's serious they didn't have an answer as to why those alarms went off so I'm sure somebody had to go out and do that at a later time but now I'm over in the flight surgeon's office and the the flight surgeon's office is set up to where you have these great partition walls that go about five feet and then on top of them is a smoky looking glass that's around you and you have entrance points and exit points and uh you know just comparing that to what it is what a hospital is today it's these things were this this kind of clinic was or inspection area was really different you know it's just quick in and out kind of thing I guess so these two doctors two flight surgeons don't know who was the original or who was a backup or who was what and a nurse and then the OSI guys they stood direct just outside the little partition area where the entrance was so Richard Doty was out there and Kat and Reid was out there and his other fellow was out there and uh both the doctors they didn't

have name tags or anything on had almost had on his white you know roads or even a column and uh they can look at me and they you know picked up my arms and they were looking at my arms in the back of my hand and everything and uh that went on for a few minutes did all my nose ears eyes throat inspection you know move my tongue and all that kind of stuff and they were turning they would say something to each other but they wouldn't it wouldn't be a real lie I was trying to hear and I'd say excuse me you know what and I see him put on a glove and I just don't know man you know you're see a doctor put on the glove you know the guy you really didn't you know what I mean right but he wasn't that at all thank God he goes I need to I need he said I'm gonna I need to look in your mouth and I went what I need to look in your mouth so I open my mouth and he's got his vinyl glove on and this guy does the strangest thing he went all through my gums pressing on my gums top and bottom up in the roof of my mouth under my tongue and down there where you salivate and that kind of

stuff under my tongue and he's pressing really hard and I'm like oh it bothered me and I was like wow man you know that's almost as intrusive as the other thing with the glove you know what I mean yeah and finally he stopped and I went wow and the other like surgeon says he says remember was he because we need to take a couple of skin samples from you and then totally you know everything was just coming at me in in surprise mode I was like what and he goes well you're burned and totally out of totally out of my realm of thought at the time I go burn and he goes yes he says you're burned and I said okay and he gets right here on the side of my face on the upper right eye right right here I'm taking my glasses off right there my face was burned because my body was on my head and my brain went down just like this so just underneath that shadow area I was burned there and on the back of this right hand as to hand I did not have a glove on so he took two skin samples of the back of this hand like on top of this knuckle right here between this index finger and knuckle and then they took one skin sample from right up here

just clipped it off and they had two different vials and when he clipped off you know he put in this the tool and the skin sample went into this small little while and it was capped the either capture was plugged with a rubber core I don't remember but it was on a little stainless steel tray and I thought that's a weirdest thing you know this a skin sample out of the blue from a missile field and I thought at the time I didn't feel a burn but the next later on that day when I took a shower I did you know because I mean I was from Tampa Florida and by God you get burned down there you know your sunburn and so it had been a while since I'd been to Tampa and been sunburned but I definitely knew the feelings of sunburn and sure enough it was burned and you know it was like back here in the back part of my wrist here also so I had to explain that later because they put those they put a really small little bandage on me and then I had once I was all done I was able to get dressed again and they checked out my knees I checked my legs you know but

and I was glad it's all they did and that lasted for probably an hour and 20 minutes maybe hour 30 minutes and then I got dressed yesterday because the things in which I did they took moments to talk about it or to do something with it between themselves I don't really know and so then I was allowed to get dressed and then I was back in the commander's vehicle driven back over to the safety I feel and where I went back in to see Kermes Breaker again and I never got offered a water or anything or anything like that you know I even if I saw I was dying a thirst in a bus I didn't see a water fountain man it was terrible but so I go back in there and the same thing knock on the door report back into him go back in there standard attention I mean it was right to the letter you know in every way because again I just felt as if okay I'm in trouble here I'm in trouble and you should not be made to feel that way because I wasn't the only one stuff that happened to in the missile field not just at elsewhere but mine out if he warned or or master I wasn't the only one so

I just want that known but so I was in there for another hour or so and he went back over the entire the entire incident everything that I told him any hands me a skill crap pin and I don't know if you know the man in the cover skill crap pin but that US government official pin can calibrate your m16 can change your site setting it can just lodge around it can you can help you take down your m16 remove all pins in it and believe me every soldier's got a dance to kill skill crap pin to write a letter on it somewhere he didn't know anybody but so he gave me that and he gave me a report form which I thought was a 1000 but it's not Robert Hastings helped me decide that one day I could remember the report form because I wasn't allowed to keep anything you know and it's hard to bring everything back from you know 45 years ago and in a you know in a chronological order and I'm just doing the best that I can do you know and it's as fresh today as it was then and I just have to keep it that way because people have to know but he puts me in a room off

the side of his office I guess it was a small briefing room with oak chairs and an oak desk with a skill crap pin and give me two or three of these forms and these forms are three pages thick they're carbon copies and that's about how much it took me well but took me all three pages to write what I just have told you on this on this show to me you know and I print very well and I print small but I got it all in there and of course I signed that and I'll date it in the whole nine yards and I was not given a copy of it at all nor was I given a copy of the medical records and I need to pull my medical records again to see if there's anything on there but once I finished that back into his office I go standing at attention then then Captain Jack Reed steps up to the desk side Colonel's breaker and he hands in his paperwork and the paperwork is a non-disclosure agreement that as long as I am working in this in the sensitive or nuclear weapons field and have a secret intact clearance in this job then I cannot disclose discuss or release any of this information to anybody and anyone and it would you know at any time as long as I have a federal clearance

where I'm working in the nuclear type in the industry and I don't think you use that word industry but in the in the he said a new in the nuclear field so I I would say industry too that way in that time US Department of Energy was the atomic energy commission of not much taken but I knew of them because we transported so I agreed to it and I signed it and didn't disclose anything then I was allowed to call home and arrange or my wife had come get me and of course she had questions you know about whoops on my eye and my hand and why I was back so soon and instead of being gone three days of the time you know I really couldn't discuss that and I didn't and but I honestly I started immediately having the absolute worst cataclysmic or poccalytic dreams that I can't even describe to you with earthquakes with atomic blasts with just the sun blasting us the tidal waves just just things that is just totally off the chain you know without anything at all and but I've seen anything like that at all just these dreams just wake me up and I had a had an additional out of body experience where I left my body in a dream and I got to the ceiling and I looked down and there's

a thread connecting me to my body and my wife was laying there and my cats downstairs on the couch and then I realized where I was and I took a deep breath and I woke up set up in the bed and I what the hell is that but it's hard for the human mind to wrap itself around a lot of things that they can't happen and a lot of things that are out there we don't really know exist or or what the function is you know but there we've been here for such a short period of time on this planet we really don't know all of its secrets or even close to its secret yet kind of wanted to to say to I guess it was about two weeks 18 days I was literally thinking about microdance in one day and we were living in apartments called Hainesway apartments at the time upon the second floor and the third floor I can't second floor and a small apartment you know in Rept City and still there today can't believe it also now to knock at my door and Michael Johnson was standing there and he's a real nice looking real light skinned black guy he was from Chicago as what he told me and he talked to me more that day and the air spoke to me the entire time in which I met him that day

that night and that's how I got to know where he was from and his or his from in a home of address in Chicago and he wrote all that down for me but we sat down and we tasted I got to talk to you about this he goes and he lived in the barracks and he spoke to somebody knowing that I lived downtown and I was married to Don and where I lived so I put him on the couch or the dining room table I can't remember which now but came some paper and something to draw with and he drew the same type of craft that I drew through the site describe what he felt and I really didn't say anything until he said I kept hearing in me do not fear so he heard that he heard that also it wasn't just me he heard it as well but the most perplexing part of the whole conversation which he stayed funny an hour and a half maybe two hours I think he was uncomfortable talking about him as I was too and of course she had never heard about it and it is before but he said I remember I remember your glove on a shiny floor and I immediately I said I said what in my glove you just talk about my mittens and I said you talk about

my mittens you push it off because I remember your glove on a shiny floor I said I said Michael I said F-154 has black rubber floor mats most you're usually dirty you know I mean from getting in and out you know what we do he goes no he goes I remember that glove on a on a real bright shiny floor so I just jumped off the couch I jumped off and he said no that's not just a minute I went straight around the corner of my bedroom and I grabbed my my my daddy bag because we called him or a war bag whatever you want to say and you know it's giz got your underwear your toiletries it's got everything in it little radios got all kind of stuff and you know and I just unzip it and I just turned it over on the couch I needed to be cleaned out anyway of course she didn't agree with that but I did and low of the whole man my left hand glove was there but that right hand glove had gone and I never I've never recovered that glove and an Air Force B-52 pilot gave me those gloves as a my first or second night at elsewhere when I arrived there staying in the B-AQ barracks you know awaiting my dorm assignment you know checking

into the base whenever it's right there so it really set me down when I realized my glove was gone but yet the recollection of him seeing that on a shiny floor just just blew me up I was like well wow you know what what can you say and so I had his information and I kept it in my Bible the Bible of the pastor gave me when my father passed away for years and of course I've moved several hundred times instantly so it says my Q clearance but anyway I don't have that information today but we've been looking for him for a really hard for about the last five years on every platform social social media platform that we can think of and if anybody has any idea of a man named Michael Johnson that served in the Air Force or was in the Air Force during 77 and elsewhere for space I'll leave you my number my emails mwards 175@gmail.com email me I'll send you my phone number from that point and I'll answer any question that you have at any time I just want you to know so he left and you know then you just I just had to continue dealing with it and of course I never went back to November control they sent me to the event to the alternate command post which was

Kilo one and I worked with a not only Mark Wade we had the same initials and he outranked me about two months so I became his team member and I hated but anyway I did do what you got to do right right and wouldn't but a few months later Bob Alder's ass did see after that saw two cattle mutilations and on a ranchers farm and it was a couple of deputy sheriffs there and a US federal marshal that was there and that lady Linda Moulton how she came out to the field she was at Osworth or in Rapid City and she was trying to find people that had witnessed these things before and she's talking to local veterinarians with my veterinarian said that you know he had he had investigated a couple of these and they never sent anything quite like it but anyway I worked with Mark Wade and to I received an assignment just a short period of time later to the Oswiner based career on a company and the thing about that was you know a remote assignment if you volunteer for an additional year they usually let you take your spouse with you but when I went and see Colonel Spraker that was not allowed he said no you're going to remote and that was the end of that matter so I ended up I

ended up going with myself which is really good anyway so I just had to deal with that but to no avail have we been able to locate Michael Johnson and Robert Hastings the investigator that I'm in his last book confessions and UFOs and nouges also he I heard him on coast to coast one night and he was just so factual and so detailed oriented that I just took a chance and I got a hold him directly because he put his he put his information out there and he said he wouldn't want to speak to me and I think it was 2016 2015 I'm not sure it just seemed so natural to figure out the phone and call him at any given time today but I don't even think about that any longer because I don't do anything like this or any any of the networks without first running a bi-ropper and that's just the way it is because you know there are some unscrupulous people that do unscrupulous things in this field I hate to say it but I'm not one of them and I'm not going to anybody better say anything that that I have an experience there is not true so we don't do it for money and just do it for people's knowledge because there's something out there there may be more than one something

they may be under our oceans and they under our mountains and they may be on that moon I don't know but they're here and they've been here a very very long time agreed excuse me I said agreed I completely agree with with that assessment I feel the same way the uh so I once I was out of the Air Force uh US DOE was uh prior to that lost my mom we lost our mother and uh I think it was 82 I got back in Korea in 80 and uh I can't remember the exact time my sister does should probably slap me when she's even eight times or not remembering but um I uh I uh I want to work for the US Department of Energy they were hiring security inspectors across the entire US weapons uh nuclear weapons complexes which entailed Los Alamos or Oak Ridge national laboratories uh general electric neutron devices where I was located for about six years five years six years I can't remember but um all the facilities were hiring ex law enforcement and military and paramilitary personnel to secure these facilities because prior to that time they literally had keystone cops securing these sites and the new things were ramping up and getting more serious so they hired people that had for our training and the weapons knowledge

and tactical knowledge and I happen to be one of them so um I worked for them for total 14 years and really enjoyed it and uh it was laid off at the Oak Ridge facility in 96 and then moved to Brunswick Georgia area where I now reside and uh worked for George Pacific which is Brunswick Salos here in Brunswick but um the Department of Energy is really a unique uh entity in the government arm you know what they develop it's not just nuclear weapons or are recapturing things of old and they do so much stuff for NASA and the Navy and so many different organizations we just we just literally can't do it out of them. I've been a Los Alamos been a Sandia national labs and um in training with some of the best guys in the country I'm in Sandia and uh security response team training and they go all the way to SRT4 which is protection of the president just like everybody at the Secret Service anybody else does for that matter and it is really um it's like it's a good feeling knowing these guys are out there because they can really do a really good job and we need that.

So Matt what do you have next there man? Have you got any questions or what would you like me to I do so let's let's touch on a couple of things so I understand that the launch facilities there are I think you spoke about this there are an outer perimeter alarm. Oh yeah. What is the purpose of the inner perimeter alarm and what would that tell you? Okay well uh it's like a three or four stage program really um there are security barriers within security barriers to get to that missile and it's virtually impossible you couldn't you couldn't damage it easy enough to be able to have access to that missile to start with and I'm sure measures have been taken today have even further those endeavors but um at that particular time you had an above ground antenna array which could pick up anything you know that was big as a fist or a bird you know those little kite birds you see flimping and walking around rocks, dragways and stuff they were our nemesis man.

We spent so much time and money chasing those birds off those sites and of course they laid nest there eggs that you can never detect or see in the rocks I wouldn't disturb them anyway. I sit right there with them I don't I don't hunt I just do tactical shootings all I do but so any and in wintertime of course the whole site gets buried with blizzard blizzardous type snow and you if you want to go back and get in a bed at the launch control facility to reset that alarm you sometimes have to dig those antennas out and it could be four or five feet of snow it's been quite a quite a long night out there trying to dig in that or you just park the vehicle over inside the cave inside the fence line in a clearing and a little clearer like on an helicopter path and you just spend the night there until the next day until you can see that you know or you get relieved or you dig the dead gamm antennas out now additionally there we have you know there's there's an underground support building also which keeps that rocket deumetified because they were solid fuel rockets at the time and it's underground and that's part of an investigative sequence that

would take place in what should have been done that night and then secondly or thirdly there is another area which I don't want to get into but it is a it's literally a plug and then underneath that and that's opened by a different means and then underneath that is another one so it goes down goes down goes down the blast door that is protecting that rocket is a 13-gun blast door and it's concrete steel and it's sitting on railroad tracks and at the end of that blast door it's a great big or at the end of the rail system which is quite short really maybe only 20 feet or so I can't remember but there's a really large steel plate and what the in hopes that did was when that door was blown off immediately through conventional explosions explosives that the door would be tripped upward and backward and so that would allow the missile to fly freely and and instantaneous I mean it of solid fuel rocket is no warm out there's you know not too in line fed to it it just it just goes like a like a bullet out of a gun you know but you know several other things that I want to discuss was that a lot of times you know as other officers

launch control officers talk about their missiles going offline and offline and not having any control of them sometimes they don't go offline and they still don't have control of them but it would initiate a launch sequence this happens several times that I responded to and I know it would happen more across the field than just ever talked about but in essence a literal countdown would start wow for the rocket itself yeah and so you know mind you each launch control facility had was responsible for 10 missiles but we only had two response vehicles one for the backup alert team that are off duty and one for the primary when we were on duty so these things activated that way so you'd get a quick call from the launch officers and say go to a whatever site November 10 for instance when you get there open the gate drive your vehicle on top of that blast door put it in neutral in the direction of the cattle trail of the railing system on the blast door put it in neutral and get off the site and set up a one-mile entry control point or ECP and you know you shake your head and you go what a vehicle I've never been told such a thing but what that was in hopes of doing that

if it did launch which it never did would be to the door of it literally blast out from underneath the vehicle the vehicle in neutral it would just roll down on top of that rocket and hopefully destroy the gyro or the guidance system and it just causes the shoot out of the ground and crash somewhere real close by that was that was the the only measure that I knew of that or I was told that would work so we did that a couple of times not just in the river but the other sites like maybe down in Echo or Oscar area or maybe even Kilo area but I know I did it two or three times but you were aware of other security forces that had to execute the same procedure oh yeah absolutely that was an SOP yeah it wasn't written down but that was an SOP between all of us they say well we'll try to launch today you know wow and and and when this was brought up that that these missiles were in account download was part of the information disseminated to you that there was some kind of UAP or UFO interference or they they just kind of set up we don't know why this is in account download just go sit on top of the rocket just didn't know why and I never saw anything I never saw

anything that would have caused it at that particular time you know when we were sent out there and that would have been like after the fact anyway if something had done and they just wanted to observe what was going on they didn't have to do it at 30 feet an air they could do it from probably miles in the sky you know and I think I'm sorry going to have there's a bit of a delay oh I think honestly that you know they don't have to or whoever they is they don't have to sit 30 or 40 feet in the atmosphere to watch who shows up you know in response to a particular alarm I literally think that they have knowledge to where they see every single thing that's underground wired directly over many many miles back to that launch control facility additionally there's other measures and means to launch those missiles not just from that launch control facility they could be you know it could be launched up from other entities let's put it that way going back to the the intrusional arm so so from what I understand the exterior and perimeter alarms those could be set off you know as you were talking about by birds or anything like that and was somewhat of

the common common occurrence how often we're inner inner inner how often were the inner ones triggered not very often and usually not both in conjunction with one another you'd have one or the other but very rarely would you have both at the same time and that and this alarm would indicate that some someone was walking around inside the site or something penetrated outer and then inner just I don't know what the time frame from one activation to the other could have been a minute could have been three minutes could have been 30 seconds you did I was never we were never told that we were just told of the situation and of course that followed a different set of steps in order to accomplish what you know the investigative measure would be up to and including the use of deadly force that just sends chills down my spine thinking about that when when you when you when you were going for the deep when you were going in to be debriefed in in AF OSI you had AFO AF OSI agents there and I think you said Richard Doty was there as well did any of this seem to surprise them was this sort of a shock they'd never heard anything like that before did you ever get any sort of impression as to

whether this was surprising or or something that had happened before they really shielded those thoughts or those energies away from me and away in which I was just I feel as if they tried to just discredit me just say no that can't happen that that couldn't have happened you know nothing that big could fly and I when I told a criminal spraker I said yeah I think I said that object was larger than this satat building man you know he just looked at me like I was batshit crazy they really did I mean they had little grins on their face like yeah this this guy's just letting it all go here you know oh man that yeah I mean really don't know if you've got a career left or not and had I said that I saw those four being three small and one tall being outside of that window before I passed out I wouldn't probably be here right now I don't know where I be but we still can't find Michael Johnson anywhere and it really bothers me that we can because now you can find literally anybody today you know I mean is he in a hospital is he as he passed on or so it's got to be a family member he had to have children sometimes he wouldn't marry to the time he

was a single guy any grandparents still living I mean I know my age and he's got to be around the same age or maybe a little bit older you know I don't know but they would really be nice to talk to him because the only really substantiations that I have is is Michael John is Richard Doady sending me that email I mean he really verified you know what that he was there and his job he told me in the email I could get it up here for you that he was tasked with going back to the flight surgeon's office and obtaining our medical records from myself and the other security policeman whom he did not name see he didn't remember much about it because he was he was studying sack communications or something I don't know but anyway that's what he told me and I've got it in email so that and some military records and so forth that I have I mean that's as all I can do I don't even have I don't have many pictures don't went through the wars and I guess all that was thrown away I really don't know personal pictures anything so they so the Air Force Office of Special Investigations AFOSI they confiscated your medical records they yeah they had them they had them what I have today

doesn't really doesn't pertain to what I just told you at all okay okay now I understand you eventually went through hypnosis to recall what happened during this missing time tell us about that doctor upton did that the first time in Robert Hastings helped me with that a great deal and refer him to me and he came to my home here in Brunswick and it lasted for a little over I guess almost two hours and he took a DVD of it and I I know I was examined I had a quite a bit of pain associated with it especially in my left wrist I had eye contact with the tall one which scared me literally to death he put me in a fib I didn't know it at the time but I never had any heart trouble before and I was putting some type of a of a gel stuff I don't know I don't know if it was like a I don't know what it was but it was some kind of gel that I was submerged in I was breathing some kind of a fluid for a short period of time and I heard whispers within me not not around me but within me it was something placed right here on the back of my on the back of my head or the back of my neck and

ear that I I never saw but I thought it was a crab you thought it was a what sorry I thought it was a crab or something I don't know what it was but it wasn't right here and it would vibrate and it changed the temperature of that and that was in my second hit noses we live on Smith from Ciro this recently but uh Michael Johnson was there with me even though I couldn't see him I kept asking about him and I was told not to worry about him in this internal voice or however you want to say it the the tall one was very menacing and had me buy the lower part of my right arm and elbow and was doing something to my right wrist and which I have I don't know if I have problems in my right wrist today from anything but but I don't know I have pain associated with that and in that in that no succession I went through great pain with that like down in the middle part of my arm I don't know what that represents or does I was placed somewhere literally by myself and I I've never had a fear of being alone but I did then I don't know the entire duration of the whole process of what they did

or and what they did at that time the the feeling of of being completely in blackness and alone is not something that I wish on anybody and I don't know I don't like thinking about it I I can't stand any type of a small digital light or any kind of light to be in my room or anywhere I sleep I have to I have to sleep in darkness I don't know why that is but any kind of light being emitted from another room or from a small device or a charger for instance I that really just eats me up and I literally can't close my eyes from that don't know why but it just happens full moons can't sleep and I don't know what all was done and that that first did no session but I probably felt the most fear before my life and existence without without being dead that I can even relate to anybody I never experienced anything like that and I hope I never do again and that was 40 something years later that that's first I've ever done that and I had thought about it before but you know you you kind of I don't mean told one other psychologist about it a long time ago and that was in that was in Tennessee when

I was there but that was some problems there and had to be really careful because no matter what I felt I could never I could never disclose anything about that whole incident you know while I had a queue clearance with the US Department of Energy and about every couple of years they would do a re-investigation they call them randoms and it was just really strange how they just kept hitting me they hit me about three times and in my in my time when the US DOE and always hinted around this subject matter in some way that I witnessed something that transpired you know while in the Air Force that was of importance that that I need to discuss or relate to them and I used to always say no no more than anybody else and I had to be really careful how you worded things because it was never just one investigator there was always the area office security officer and then they had the you know then they would bring in like other people from the office of personal management like they may have been from DC or from Oak Ridge area because Oak Ridge is like a central I don't know like a central hub of direct communication with DC I'm not sure but that happened a few times and

my original clue my first clearance took over eight months to obtain now I did have a lot of addresses but I never had any criminal activity of any kind of that never been arrested or anything like that and it just seemed I was more questioned about my time at Ellsworth and my security police duties and functions than anything else that they that they had to ask me about I mean they didn't ask he you know about a lot of things that I don't know I just really really struck me strange that you know that was kind of I don't know cleaned out of everything that I had already had and written down I just never would discuss that and again had I said you know well I saw some beings then that cute clearance would have been gone and I'd never obtained my job and you know I supported my family from that and you know I volunteered for all kind of different things and lost Alamos was one of them and I went to the advanced nuclear research facility for a while and I really enjoyed that it was a heck of a learning experience and trained as Andeah and with a lot of my buddies so I still have contact with today best friends in the world I can call

them for anything they know of this also they didn't know of them but they know of it now I don't only tell one guy he's Sensei and martial arts and Carl Adams and I spoke to him at link about it when I was when we were working together at neutron devices in Largo, Florida and he remembered exactly when I told him so he was really the only person I ever disgusted with and I didn't even tell my wife until after I lost my job at an Oak Ridge and I went out I got laid off at about 10,000 people in 96 when they de-escalated some of the weapons grade materials and sent it out to Los Alamos because of the population around the facilities and that's usually what happens is what happened at neutron devices in Largo, Florida you know the population became so great that they couldn't arrest the Exodus of any kind of a of a claxed and alarm gas from uranium, rupaltonium production or machining or building or criticality of a given substance or material so that they start de-escalating that and sending those things and those processes to different sites that you know have less of a population like when the plateau of Los Alamos you don't have any people I mean there I think there's more people in Los Alamos now the PhDs and anywhere else in the country

and at one time that was Oak Ridge during the Manhattan Project so it's really a unique field to be in and I'm just glad I got to be part of it for as long as I did I really enjoyed it learned a lot of things. What I'm curious going jumping back to your to the hypnosis session and I'm going to ask a couple more questions and then and then we're going to get into some listener questions. What was it about that tall being that was so terrifying to you compared to the others?

I think it was a difference in facial structure for one the height, the uh the awareness, maybe that's not the right word. The height, the size and the expressionless gaze not at me but through me. I mean I feel there was not one cell in my body could I hide a thought or anything from this being nothing there was nothing that he couldn't do that I could prevent and I was completely vulnerable in every way. I didn't know if I was coming back. I mean I had no idea where I was. I had no idea and you know I wonder you know has this happened to people before and they didn't come back. Yeah so the feeling just the menacing effect that something like that has is words really can't describe it it's overwhelming. I mean it's not it's not standing up there.

That hurt that thing was not standing up there watching me it was coming toward me and it was nothing that I could do and this table that I was on was not a table like what this computer sitting on right now. It was a table that existed like with a blue kind of gas or an environment around me that I wasn't I wasn't in the same atmosphere as they were. I was in something I was inside of this of this blue little cloud deal the length of my body. I was just you know arms on my side to the best of my knowledge arms on my side but I was inside of this like I could like a little fog cloud or some of some kind. Now I don't know if that was protectionary measures. I don't know what that was that I just know that I was in something and something that I had to be in that they didn't sound dry but I think it's hard to describe. Right it wasn't a cylinder it wasn't anything hard it was like a it was like a gaseous atmosphere but confined around you okay and they could do anything they wanted you know he grabbed my when he got my arm I don't know if my arm was in that it may have

been out into where he was because he had my arm elbow on this whatever was stopping it and my hand I've been my wrist been bent backwards like this and I felt pain down in this part of my arm. Did you feel any sort of compassion or or emotion from these things? No I did not it was the the tall one that was doing the majority of what they were doing was was very harsh and rough. There was nothing kind about any of it the smaller ones were different they they they were different they you know I know I felt a hand on my shoulder from this to from this direction fingers pointing down and I you know and these were smaller being but their hands were extremely long I don't know if they had three fingers or four fingers I don't know but their hands were long and I know that a hand was on my shoulder I don't know if it was there be a sure me or to tell me again to not to fear we're not going to hurt you but that big one was hurting me and I said that and I kept asking about Michael Johnson and I was told not to worry about Michael Johnson everybody kept telling me

that we're about Michael Johnson can what you were what you were hearing do you did any of this come from the taller being or was it all do you feel no all from all from to my to my recollection from the small ones okay the tall and never made any kind of any kind of sound or anything that I could recollect I guess because of the amount of fear I had I'm not sure I don't really know but I just know that I felt as if everything was coming from this direction behind me it could have been that the device that was underneath my ear and I don't know who where it was coming from but it was there the what I could see though the walls and the floors were active in some way I don't even know if you call them walls but I did I in the second hit notice I saw some type of glyphs or sometimes some types of strange looking glyphs and I've tried to draw a couple of them but I'm not very a very good artist and but I but I continue you know I question myself sometimes okay this one I saw is that not what I saw you know you've been I don't know how else to go along with

that how else to describe that do you recall how it smelled to question not what people ask yeah I like iodine iodine or shrimp wow okay and I associated that right off the right off that's one of the first things I'm glad you asked me though because that one of the first things that that I smell was I used to we used to fish in the government makes it goes as a boy with my dad all the time a lot of times we used we used shrimp for bait and the shrimp in the government makes ago always had a high iodine smell to them I don't know why that is because because the Atlantic shrimp don't use the best shrimp on the planet right here and um but I immediately was overcome with that smell of iodine not only in my vehicle but in wherever I was being looked at so nothing like ammonia or anything like that well that's what it would be be iodine or ammonia that's what it would be that's what it smells like yeah so it's listening to your story I would him I can't even fathom what you've gone through and especially emotionally and the pressure of not being able to speak about this for so long this had to have really affected your life what is that

feeling well it's it's uh it's just it's something that you just have you either you deal with it or you don't and I know Michael Johnson somewhere and he's had to deal with it now Terry Levelace is a good friend of mine and he was in the Air Force at the time of his his happening or his incident and his partner was a black fellow also and in medical and his examination they gave them medications Terry didn't take them but his partner did and he later drank himself to death he couldn't deal with he couldn't deal with it and that's a shame because the Air Force or any other entity of the government they sure don't come out to you say hey how you doing they want you to just go literally away they don't they don't want you to to talk about it you know when when a blue book in 69 is that right I think that's that right somewhere in there 69-7-8 so you really think honestly that they gave up investigations in 69 you know of these occurrences that took place all over the planet not just in the United States but you know in Russia Kapustin Yar in in Europe I mean all these different places do you think that they're not really studying this because what's the end game here technology right

correct chart technology and rate because everything's going to be weaponized no matter what I don't care what it is it's anti-gravity whatever it may be it's kind it's going to be weaponized to be better than the other guy you know and and I think that I think that just those things alone the the services are the forces that being now this arrow office they will never disclose anything to the general populace of this world of us in the United States of anybody because of that very thing they're protecting that technology that they've got already and they're not about to give right up to anybody I mean if you've got four aces in your hand you should you don't you do sure don't trade them in for you know two twos or something or whatever in in in carbs I guess and we're gonna get it with it's very difficult with mad and I just have to do it you know I mean of course people I work with they ask me questions and I I don't hold anything back even my my father-in-law's a Georgia Tech graduate and you know this guy is super smart super intelligent you asking you know hey what do you think about aliens you know well he's immediately talking about

the Southern border and I said no no no not those guys I'm talking about out there and he was a Navy man you know and he looks at me like I have lost my air in mind but I think through a couple of discussions that he's kind of saying well you know there could be something out there I mean yeah there is you know and I and again I never discussed that with him I never until the woman I'm married to till 1996 that after a little DOE and you know what it happened to me and how it happened and and what I did so either accept it or you don't people I work with you know they ask me questions I answer them in the heartbeat people email me I answer them as fast as I can because it's important I have nothing to hide and I have nothing to gain if you want to if you want to hear of an instance that happened personally to me and you know Michael Johnson please get ahead and get touch with me or better yet or get all Robert Hastings I mean any of us you know and I know all these guys in this in this research you know that's one thing about it you know this

kind of incident as it's got some curious people looking at it that are you know that are up in this UFO world you know I talked to people in Paris from Germany and in other ones and you know whatever questions they have they can ask it I don't I don't care what they are Mario do you ever look back and regret flashing the lights and maybe how your life would have would have been different had you not done that? I guess that's just the the curious Georgian me that I just had to do that and I used the sequence that you know my father had shown me years and years ago and something that I knew of and you know honestly when I left that site that night and I got to Highway 79 and I saw that thing strobe in like it was doing I felt almost as an ambassador for a few minutes I can you say I really did you know me because somebody is going to do it one day unless there's already an ambassador we don't know of right that size of an hour or somebody met with them I mean really I did what if I could honestly why was I so afraid to get out of that vehicle? Why don't I just open that door and just you know and just leave my weapon there

and walk out 20 or 60 feet at that front gate I didn't even have to go that far to be directly underneath that it was that large open that 14 foot gate up walk on that side and stand directly underneath it and look at it why did not do that fear? I guess fear then I question myself you know and what if what if they what if I could have gone with them? What if what if I was accepted to whatever you want to go? Come on imagine that and coming back here 50 years later I mean it's crazy I'm a literature scientist and I know a lot already everything about is I believe because I say we haven't been here that long compared to everything else I'll just plan it and we certainly don't know everything about this world. I feel that way about that. So I'd like to go through some of the images that you also provided and we'll kind of we'll go through this and maybe one more question for you and then we'll get to our listeners questions. So first off is this map. We're looking at here.

That is the I call it a Pythagorean triangle. If you'll notice that in the center left sign of that that's that is November 1. That's the launch control facility where we lived and then if you go down to November 5 at the very bottom of that that is where the launch control that's where the launch facility was located where the missiles located and then if you go to the upper side of that triangle that is Nool Lake Reservoir Dam and that's where we were discovered behind that dam and that's what that long white slanting wall was covered in snow was the backside of Nool Lake Reservoir Dam.

I'd never been there before my life and that was the first time I'd ever been there and of course I hadn't been back where that what that pin is dropped is directly where we were found and brought out of there. Now if you look to the right of that pin at the lower part of it you see that white snow at the bottom of it and that is the overflow pond that the where the sluice located on behind that pin that is activated when it gets two full and it floods that smaller pond down there. Now Michael Johnson had been aware and active had he stepped out of that vehicle about five foot away from that vehicle he'd gone down that hill to that small pond there. Of course it it had was full of ice but that's the backside of Nool Lake Reservoir Dam that's there today I'm just there and I and I got to tell you this other thing that blows in my mind is that when we filmed there for discovery plus two years ago I was with Rich Imberling he was the host of that show really great guy.

He had a good team and everything and we got in November control and I've November 1 and I couldn't believe it was there and went all through that and we did a bunch of stuff there and I don't know who owns it today but we didn't have any resistance at all even going on I'm going on the property because it's on somebody's property and went all through it and I have a no I never mind I'm going to say that but from there we went from November 5 now I had not been back to November 5 since all this happened 44 years ago and the producer was afraid to film directly in front of November 5 which really bothered me because I wanted to stand right where right front of that cattle gate where that vehicle was that night. He was afraid that something would be said had we gone directly in front of the site where there's just small cattle producing facility not a producing facility maybe they do some branding there or trim hooves I don't know it's all good they take super care of their animals there and he wouldn't film there so we filmed about 60 yards down the road at Warman Road looking out on a field and then everything was done in like a cartoon type effects and I thought

that's terrible but being there when I got out of that vehicle I thought I honestly thought I'm hardly going to stop even in that proximity and we walked up there and I it was just hard for me to even get grips on myself for a moment smelling that air and knowing what was in that atmosphere 40 something years ago directly above that site and when all was said and done there was a bunch of people riding up and down Warman Road that lived in Nuel and they were coming out to see this film crew they don't get that very often there and super nice folks super nice folks but two guys hail back almost in like a four-wheel drive rhino any close cab any other was sitting on sitting on a like a little ATV four wheel four wheeler like a Honda or something and it came up and introduced themselves and the guy that was in the in the rhino in close cab got his name and everything and he um he he asked me because he goes really got this happened to you right and I said yes and he goes well my father was a state patrolman during that period of time and he said at about two o'clock in the morning you got a call from some from people on base to go in search for you guys

he said that my he said his bedroom was located right off the kitchen where the fun was on the wall there at their home in the prairie there he said they they own about 80,000 acres and he ranches on it today when you heard we were filming he just wanted to come down here he didn't know what it was about but but he thought he did and he said he heard his father tell whoever he was speaking to back at elsewhere oh why do you want me to go look for him he said they have more weapons than I've got and there's two of them and just one of me anyway his father loaded up in his patrol car and he went looking for us and he relayed that his father saw something in the atmosphere didn't say what it was didn't say anything like that or size or anything like that but he saw something strange in the atmosphere is what he told us some later that man's now passed away but he told us some that and he knew that all these years the other fella that was on the or we learned that little Honda 4 we learned he had been a deputy sheriff you know 40 years earlier in Sturgis and they were contacted their

office in Sturgis was contacted because they had roving patrol or patrols into the new area I don't know how to please department or not I can't remember and two of their patrols were sent north on highway 79 to come look for us also so that was a revelation that I that had no idea that even transpired so we had you know six security placement looking for us and two state officials are law enforcement officer patrols looking for us so that was pretty substantial we'll find that out and but yet they never know it and I hope that someday we could could go back there and have a round table or something and meet with these guys and talk with them and maybe some other people saw some things I don't remember what night this was on I don't remember the Wednesday night or Friday night or what I don't remember all those days one together for me but but it would be fun I'm even on a webpage there you know I just just chat little things you know concerning new people selling stuff or I talk to people you know used to be a runway there I never knew there was an airport there in New Orleans and just one high school and just a really really cool place and it's nice little 10 but I would like to do that

one day so that was a revelation finding that out but then again you know a network's attacking the problem of abduction they don't like to do that or even discuss it after all that day of filming now mind you to produce or even cut it short I never knew where New Lake was these two guys when I told them the area that I was found in he said that sounds like New Lake reservoir and I said what I said where is that he said go back to highway 79 go north about nine and a half miles it'll be on your right it's about three miles off the road well the producer had already allowed the camera crew and the drone operator to depart to leave so it was just him Richard Emmerling and myself left so we went just as he described when all the way up to it went straight down the road when always back road off the highway back to New Lake reservoir damn the first thing I saw was that tree I was telling you about I said I can't believe that tree is still here after all these years that big old tree is still there today there's a new aluminum building out there that went right back to the

to the spot and couldn't believe what I what I was singing and I never knew that day what I was standing in front of it that was the back side of that New Lake reservoir damn now it's the back burn wall and it's about 45 50 feet high at about a 40 by the green goal so I never knew that at all and that was not filmed and they only displayed about eight minutes on discovery plus of me standing on the side of Roman road Roman road holding up my drawings were drone operator look over my shoulder crying like an idiot because I mean it just broke me down for the first few minutes I was standing there but that's all they wanted to get evidently and then it goes from there into a launch control officer another guy at another side so I thought well they're again it shows flip lights at this thing what I did in the vehicle or anything like that I mean and they said other things but I'm not gonna worry about that now you know it's either either you attack the subject matter and get the true story or you don't do it at all or whatever ratings that these people try to get or whatever money that they made I don't care you know I just you're gonna tell it tell it you

not shut the hell up about it so so what would you what would you say to these skeptics like McWest or Steven Green Street that may tell you that this is preloaded or you you imagined it what would you say to those people well either they're scared of their own shadows or they don't really want to admit there could be something greater than they've ever even possibly imagined and they don't pay my bills I don't give a damn on what anybody says I know what I live through I know what I've lived through for the last 45 years of my life I'm 67 years old now and I'm too tired to run and too old to give a damn wow this is so much to digest your your story is just um what you know what you've gone through and sharing your story with everyone is it's I would say out of anything that that and I've seen these things myself thank god I've never gone through an abduction experience I would never want that nor would I wish that upon anyone and and my heart goes out to you for what what you've what you've uh shouldered with all of this and and um your your bravery and being so upfront about your experience and sharing your emotion fast forward you recently testified

to the Pentagon's uh UFO office arrow what was that like? well it really wasn't much different than talking to you you know I was asked I was read all the security measures what I could or could not divulge and then I was kind of given a a free slot in order to discuss the entire incident or just relay just like I've relayed to you I was really not that much difference you know I they did ask me a few specific questions and they just have to stay there and I answered them appropriately and gave them any of all names that are associated with this entire incident in any way that I could help and wanted to help or anything they needed for me they didn't I didn't I would be more and willing to to do whatever they wanted me to do so I just try to be as upfront as possible but then I watch what um Sean Kirkpatrick said during his last briefing when he stated that there was no correlation or no connection with nuclear weapons and I just literally had a laugh at this guy and I you know what mr. Kirkpatrick if you're watching this I would sit down and chat with you any dead gum time you'd like to talk about it because I don't know if if I don't know what else I can say

other than what my word is but with all your resources in scientific background and what you know if if you think that this is not going on you're mistaken and you need to come to Griffith at yourself because it has happened to people and this by God happened to me and I'll stand behind that in any way fashion or form that you can come up with how long did arrow interview you for how long did that go four hours and 19 minutes and was it doctor Kirkpatrick that interviewed you oh no but I'm not allowed to say who it was so you part of your your legal agreement with them was that you could not state who the interviewer was an arrow correct correct and can you speak as to what kind of questions they asked or what the questions were not much different than what you come up with but but that was part of the part of that non disclosure agreement was not revealing what exactly they asked you correct correct okay okay I just can I just can repeat the direct questions in which which I was asked but basically the you know the incident is the same no matter who's asking the questions nothing is going to change that nothing is going to change like it

no suggestions and I last one of the latest was with the director of Ciro and she Ivonne Smith and she sent me a recording of that I I offered up any of that any of my hypnosis sessions I offered anything that they wanted they could have I have nothing behind from them did you did they request any of those materials and did you hear back from arrow at all no I have not yet okay now following this experience later on in life did you have any subsequent encounters oh I had something very strange happened in 2017 December 17th of 2017 and I don't know how to quite come to grip for this but what could any you know what happened in media November 5 what could what further what anything would would these beings ever need with me whatsoever I just you know I just happen to be at a place that they set off an alarm and I was a security placement and then you know we showed up and it could have been they could have been Tom and Mo who knows it just was me this time in Michael Johnson but in December 17th of 2017 I was sleeping my bed and I have a separate room because I work I work rotating shifts so I'm just starting everybody in my house when

I get up at you know 345 in the morning to go to work a day shift or something and it rotates so anyway I woke at 10 after 4 11 after 4 that these really strange times that I wake up over a day shift but anyway every alarm low voltage alarm in my home was going off but that's not really go got me I woke up standing at the foot of my bed looking at the northern wall of that bedroom and there was a hole in the wall and the dresser on the left and the right side about 4 or 5 feet in diameter and for a flash it was second before I gained consciousness I've never slept walk in my life I saw some kind of like flashes or spark or something on both sides of this of this opening of black hole and my eyes my eyes came to or whatever of course it was gone and then I heard all these noises and immediately my son popped in my room he said dad what's going on what's going on he had heard something he heard these sounds also I didn't know what oven stove a microwave or a range or refrigerator did I say that or even I didn't know these items had low voltage alarms on them

and all the lights that were on in my living room and in my kitchen area that stay on 24/7 were flickering in real real low light I was like what the heck and Jake said my son Jake he said that what he goes what the hell is going on I said I don't know son so I did a little searching clear in my house in my underwear real quick I mean that's just kind of guy I am and when I came into the kitchen all these in microwave and the only thing from making noises that I'd never heard before and I later found out they were low voltage alarms and I am plugged I think I'm plugged in microwave and something and eventually they stopped and I don't know why they stopped but they stopped and so I went back and my son was still up and I said well I guess I said I don't know what's happening so I said all the lights are flickering like that and I said I can't get any light to come on fully it just barely comes on I said I guess the whole neighborhood messed up so I said well I'm gonna lay back down when I get up I'll call George Power so I went back to sleep and just a strange you know she's strange the whole the

whole ordeal and all said about 815 my son's getting up good work and he said he popped my door and he says he goes dad he goes George Power is in the front yard and we live we have about an acre here a little over an acre so in the house is sitting in the middle of it and I got like 200 trees in every direction so it's nice for that you know and anyway so I could throw on some clothes real quick and I said where are they said they're out by the street so I got out my go out the front door and I go out there and I said hey I said go on man just look to me says uh did you marry on I said yes or I said it's my house and I said uh man what's going on he goes I says everybody in the neighborhood affected and he looked at me kind of funny he says uh no sir goes just you and I said what he goes you lost a leg to your home I said well that's weird I said how does that happen he goes we don't know he said would you let our board down here in the in the control room like the fourth of July and I said lit up your board

he said yeah well you know we have every neighborhood and everything is you know is monitored you know for power usage and so forth I said well that's off of weird and he goes yeah he goes um he goes step over here in your back porch so we're outside of my garage or keep my trash can on a little deck there and you have this mobile unit on a um I was a transformer unit and they had these transformer was jumpered into my to my house I've got pictures of it and stuff that went into my you know where they uh uh the electrical reading devices located the meters located and uh I said wow I said that's pretty cool he said well that's gonna that's gonna give you three legs of power you know until we can get a new wire and I said well again I said how did this happen he goes we have no idea he said we just got a huge surge of power he said and then this went out and he said we responded immediately because a lot of times these things can cause a fire and it was under ground I hear about about 70 feet away from my front door and um so I didn't think too much

about it and I said well I guess that's you know okay so a few weeks went by and one of the kids who live in a neighborhood was home and uh was leaving work early that morning and I was cutting my grass or something uh some I was checking my mail or something and he stopped me saying which was how you doing so all right man he goes meh what he said what was going on in your backyard a couple weeks ago and I said what he goes man your backyard was lit up like Hollywood lights back there and I said my backyard he goes yeah I said well all I've got some spotlights on the end of my home you know two oh just 150 watts each you know and he said oh no oh no he says it looked like the sun went off back there and I said he got to be kidding me so of course I came in and told my son about it and uh he just didn't really know what to say and you know we told everybody else about it and they didn't know what to say and you know they later came out about three weeks later and put in a new wire and removed their transforming device out here and but that was in December 17th of 2017

and that's uh last thing that that happened and I sent you a picture of that drawing that I drew I called Robert Basings immediately and told him he said yeah that's what it looked like and you see in the bottom where my feet were standing so but my question is what would they if there are beings of you know where what could they possibly want with somebody 45 years later and that's that's from my hypnosis and dream session and that was taken into a room where there's these all these old devices that's an iron and there's a tv or radio one of those old light stands and I was told by the little guy that took me in there to look around and there was a window off to the left there was that was a round but it had a pie slice out of it that I could look out the window but I never I was too afraid to look out the window and then I was taken out of there and then into a foggy area and that's the last thing I remember about that but this area was was huge what what is this that's something somebody sent to me and said is this from on you of anything and uh

it it was really quite strange and then perplexing when I saw it I have no idea who stat is or where it came from but it got my attention and I thought oh my god you know and I noticed in the far far back there's a there's a steer on a table back there and I just just really got my attention so I just threw it in there now I understand that you have marks on your body that you tripped to this to this experience and I want to show some of those so um this is uh what you're ankle in left ankle correct and and don't know where it came from yeah there's I have two of those on my body don't remember any uh medical procedure as uh a doctor Mark Gold once told me I had him really look at them and in macro photography that's just photographed with my phone and um that's on my inner left ankle right above the ankle bone and uh just taken off my sock so that's why when we do that as far those lines are there but uh and right between the Achilles and the ankle bone I guess and and it's and it's a scoop mark that we're looking at in the middle correct

that's correct yes and the other scoop mark is uh same diameter that's correct and it was measured and they he called them pop marks is what I've been told they are and then that's it right there and there's a middle dimple in it don't know you know what because that mark doctor Mark Gold he was an neurologist and he said um and in neurosurgeon he said you know he didn't know of any life-saving events it'd been an emergency that this area and the area under my left arm would be accessed with whatever and for what purpose that's one under my arm under my left arm okay and uh is there one on your right as well or just on the left none of just just the left side just those two areas okay underneath both the arm and the left ankle okay so let's let's get to some user questions firstly thank you for uh this is by far the longest interview that we've ever done and uh and I really I really appreciate it and I know our viewers really appreciate uh sharing this really powerful um I hope a lot of people watch this I really do um this is by far the most compelling story I've ever heard okay so um let's see here uh Mario have you ever spoken with Dr Gary Nolan about your experience this is from

anonymous Rex uh from Dr. Nolan no I have not okay I'd like to he yeah we he's been on our show once just amazing amazing man do this is from Marley did it do these experiences make you question the existence of God or a higher higher power no never excellent uh from uh uh jace oops sorry it was uh from Jason Faye does Mario recall if they took any pictures of his burns when they were examining him no only the skin samples they did not take pictures of burns another great one here from uh Peter uh cus mose cosmos uh how do you see the next six months and next five years will disclosure happen where will it come from if yes and do you expect anything real from upcoming events upcoming hearings and NPC event I'm not sure what that is I uh I think when disclosure happens it won't be our government that does it unless they're forced to do it I I think that uh okay girl I think that these beings will pick a time in which to do it in a way that everybody at one time will know that they're here or they're making their announcement and they're not going to do with the United States so what's the kind of media that's going to take place it will be TV and radio

it's going to be a communication that we all hear there's some correlations here maybe in our own languages across the entire planet I don't know what the time frame is but think when we're notified there'll be no question there will be no question don't know maybe they weren't maybe they weren't up there will be no question that they have made their announcement and we will know and everything will change now this is if it's all for the good because we know if they were bad we we've been gone gone for sure you know do and actually I want to give a shout out to Tom S who asked the really great question I posed earlier if you regretted flashing the perimeter perimeter lights here's one from Keith Taylor another another great great question are there any indications of implants I've never been fully x-ray I don't know I had had a smush MRIs like for procedures that I had done but I've nothing that I know has been detected now my friend Terry lovelace yes he did okay from Chris time have you had any near near death experiences in your life either before or after the event no only there only only on that site that night November 5 I guess before that tunnel vision effect

I saw many many things flashed for me and and and and and sitting on that sitting in that restroom on that on that toilet seat when I felt as if I was leaving my body that next morning that's the only I remember I had anything like that at all and I really hope I never do it again because it's I don't I don't know I don't know if I'd gone so far I couldn't come back or or I would or I would have died I thought I was dying I really did I thought I was literally dying so our I think this will be our final questions it's been a been a very long show um trying to think how to answer ask this do you have confidence in the mission of arrow and confidence that Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick is trying to get to the bottom of this especially after seeing Dr. Kirkpatrick's testimony at the send it hearing I want to say I have confidence but I feel as if there's an ulterior motive to to that my confidence is somewhat shaken I mean there is no way that you can't deny that you can deny a nuclear connection there is absolutely no way whether it be nuclear missile sites weapons platforms aircraft carriers something to do with

nuclear they are there now I don't know if we I know that you know we know how to split it out but is that all there is about splitting it out you know test to move out electricity but he didn't know everything about electricity and he was learning and I think it's the same way with our nuclear capabilities now we know we've got some highly destructive stuff you know and maybe there is some kind of a guard that guards against what you know we we have in tail to use forward each nuclear weapons for I mean how can we really communicate you know as a as a world when we can't even get along with each other it's not the fact that we have them it is the fact what they're intended to do with them in my book so I don't know if he's not willing to look at the evidence it's out there and he's got to have more access to anything that you and I anybody on this think and even discuss he's had to have seen things that we're not even allowed to talk about right he maybe he can't even talk about them I don't know but somebody needs to get a grip on the whole thing and really come

forward you know to the American people into the world with what's really there and what we really have did did a craft crash in Roswell the two craft crash in Walker are there things buried we don't know about or the rocker archeological sites that we don't know about I mean there's just something to miss about the whole thing and to not and to go from 69 blue book ended to now and and every year changed the name now to arrow I mean I can't I don't even I just say UFO investigation period it's not that I disrespect anything I'm just tired of being hammered around you know with with non truths you know the senate hearing committee wants to get to the truth I'd be willing to sit down and talk to him I don't know what what else I could tell the other than what I've just told you but like I have something he's done you would testify in front of Congress oh absolutely under a rule yeah under oath absolutely I'm under oath for you right now do you think do you think at the senate the senate hearing do you think dr. Karpatrick had a net negative effect on whistleblowers wanting to come forward but do you think what he sort of seemingly

said to say there was no as as I think you you mentioned earlier no no sign of extra terrestrial activity do you think that that this deflated or discouraged whistle further whistleblowers from coming forward I don't think I know it did and I know some that it has already so yeah so so to be so to be clear you know you know of whistleblowers that were ready to come forward and talk to the Pentagon and after dr. Karpatrick's performance they no longer want to do that they don't want to they don't trust them they don't trust them I'm hearing that a lot I don't honestly think for as many incursions and as many interactions as as gone on and you know whether and and they're just I guess they're just doing military personnel government employees I guess that's what what I what I gather you know there's many civilians in scientific roles that have had incidents like this also and and at weapons complexes or at their own private homes or driving home they couldn't answer enough thumbs if people were really trusting and would come forward with what's happened to them or what they've seen along interstate 95 or 75 or 90 or any of the other interstates in this country or anywhere out west or anywhere in the Gulf of Mexico I mean there

are thousands of people that have seen things that they just can't explain but yet don't acknowledge you're neither and that's where it's all wrong one of the things that really caught me off guard about dr. Karpatrick's testimony was a seeming seemingly uber focus on the scientific method and peer reviewed papers to get to the bottom of this which to me disregards whistleblower testimony what would you say to dr. Karpatrick about that about his approach I just think it's all wrong I just think you literally have to sit down with people you know it's it's it's uh it's not the people is the process of how they go from A to Z you know you just don't go from A to Z you got to go A B C D E and F you know to get to the right to the get to the whole thing you just can't I don't know you just can't discredit somebody because they it's hard for people it's hard for me to sit down and tell a thousand people this at the same time let alone on three different networks or on podcasts or anything like that so I'm a dadgum sure that everything that I'm telling you is exactly how it happened to me exactly what I remember to the best of my knowledge and there's nothing they can do

to sway that and yet they can't refute it and I and I told him that I said you go hunt everyone I reached single person that was involved with me and that incident I gave them their names I said you go find these people and let me know what you find and then we'll talk again if you want to offer them anything and everything that I could possibly give them you know they got my certificates they got my training records they got this incident I didn't get a copy of it I didn't get a copy of my medical records did anything about this on it burns on my face what happened to those skin samples nothing that I know of I was never I never could talk about it again because I was made to feel as if I was a criminal or what happened to me and many others do also those guys in Rimmelstrom Forest they went through hell for years and they had a I think a major helping them that was at haul was that who it was was assisting them I think so yeah sorry go ahead that's the way they do though they just put the phone on you and keep you down because there's something that they're hiding you know technology

just didn't magically appear and the weapons complex is just didn't magically appear and gain billions and trillions of dollars out of nowhere each entity got a piece of a puzzle to work on that's what I this is what I had found out and I've worked for a lot of those people lucky Martin Martin Marietta didn't work for eG&G but I know a lot of people that have and others right and everybody got a piece of his prize what they couldn't figure out they put it away for five 10 years until they can figure it out they bring it back up and start working on it again whatever it may be and I'm not saying there is anything but whatever it may be you know cell phones they just magically appeared in 96 no the computing power to send a rocket to the moon more so than what we had in the first moonlight took off you know no the the jump the jump is crazy yeah I you know the thing that comes to mind is after listening you know and we've we've been live here almost almost three hours so we're if we had like another hour to go that would be the equivalent testimony that you gave to Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick's office and arrow and and hearing your compelling experience it blows my

mind that he he would say that there there's no you know there's no evidence of any sort of nonhuman intelligence in this and it really makes me question whether his office has been fully briefing these senators on what you guys have had to say yeah it you know it makes me very suspicious and you know and sometimes I wonder too as well how much oh you SD i and s has had to do with this the seeming dysfunctional operation of arrow you know oh you SD and I oh you SD i and s is led by Ronald mulchry who by the way was they on the advisory board of batel which we understand was part of the back engineering programs but he he he's left that off of his linked in right linked in profile even though he has a ton of other stuff oh you SD i and s is as as you know Lillia Zanda was has stated this has been the organization that that has engaged in the lying in the in the obfuscation so I think as long as arrow was under the under the thumb of Ronald mulchry and oh usd i and s I don't know that I would trust trust them and I don't know if you if you uh sorry interview with senator kirsten jillabrand that one of the things she did one of the

the things that she did encourage was for whistleblowers to reach out directly to her office I don't have the email address that that she stated but does that give you does that give you any sort of confidence in the process that senator jillabrand is saying don't don't go to arrow come to us well i would be happy to talk but in a heartbeat i do you know i just you just can't you just can't throw this stuff in the trash can you can't you can't manipulate it you can't do anything other than than talk about it until the truth about it and these incidents need to be brought out and and i've got other friends that want us say something about it that have contacted me over just the last five or six years that they would love to spend some of her military also and they say man i want anybody to know this and i say you know i respect that because you tell me not to tell somebody something i will not tell somebody something it's just that simple but yeah i would be happy to talk to her so uh... face to face anchor Patrick i don't care it doesn't make it there they just got to get me there and get me a suit because i don't own a suit anymore i will we're gonna have a

serious man well uh we'll we'll chat offline i think there's some uh folks i think you should probably speak with um okay great so uh let's wrap it up here mario how can folks find you get in touch with you um what would you like to share on that uh my email is simple i'm you know i'm on Facebook too and i don't really i don't like to use it all that much but mwoods 175 at gmail.com is my email and um you can email me at any time i will i promise you i'll answer you back it may take me a day or two i'm mostly on my phone i know it on my laptop because i i work for a living like a lot of the people do and um but i will answer you back and uh it could continue on i'll answer your questions or help you get in the right spot if we can but we'll talk i'll give you my phone number we can chat also if necessary it's up to you though but don't feel shy you know if you got a question and you know any in any way i don't care if you listen to this and you don't like it you don't like me i don't care you got something to say go ahead and ask me a question send it to me and we'll

talk about it i love that yeah but uh folks if if you enjoyed our our show we always appreciate uh a thumbs up and a subscribe and and really to close this mario first firstly thank you for serving our country it's uh patriots like yourself that allow us to be able to uh uh live in freedom and speak about these things and uh you know and i do in my book you're you're an american hero and and your bravery and and sharing this story uh and what you've gone through and and really also sharing the emotion behind it and and and and how that has impacted your life your your your genuineness and openness uh is i man uh i i can't make i can't wait to meet you in person and have a beer with you also that